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    All of you people out there! Has anybody heard of this?
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      CommentAuthorTakuGifian
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2011 edited
     

    Yes, and I have no strong feelings one way or the other.

    My opinion can be summed up with this fellow’s comment:

    Submitted by Chris
    (Jul 06, 2010)
    I heard about the Sword of Truth: “The series is to a fantasy reader what a fine wine is to a connoisseur.”
    Unfortunately, upon reading the novels, I find it more accurate to compare the series to a Merlot (watch “Sideways” 2004). It tastes good enough that the common person will enjoy it. But it lacks subtlety, it lacks refinement, and it lacks the rich depth of flavours that really makes fine wine enjoyable to a connoisseur. Don’t read this for depth, don’t read it for subtlety, don’t come in as a critic of fine Fantasy novels, and you will likely really enjoy the series. I did. But I enjoyed it despite its lack of finesse.

    Basically? Meh. All right if you turn your brain off and don’t actively think about it. The more I tried to actively engage with the book, the harder it was to take it seriously.

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      CommentAuthorBeldam
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2011
     

    I’ve never gone out to buy or borrow any of these books (because Terry Goodkind is an arrogant badword) but I’ve heard that discerning readers don’t care for him, and readers that are lesser so have a ball. Also, they are insanely popular in Japan. I think I read one scene completely out of context while randomly going through a friend’s bookshelves (a sex scene, wouldn’t you know it) and it was quite well written without it being overdone. Also, I felt a little embarrassed to be reading it, so it evoked an emotion in me. However, one sex scene does not a whole book make. Are you asking for people’s opinions before you read it?

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      CommentAuthorRorschach
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2011
     

    Despite hearing dozens upon dozens of reviews telling me how insanely bad the series is, I finally picked up the first book from the library to give it a shot. I made it through the first chapter before giving up out of sheer boredom.

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    I am simply curious to see what the community thinks. I can say though, that to my style of reading (which seems to differ a bit from the community's) the series was mind blowing. Correction-The first four booksor so were. I actually stopped reading it because of the mature content (It is an awkward read sometimes Beldam). However! As far as the story goes, it's amazing. What Taku says about turning your brain off may be true (but I would like to know if you refer to how it is written, or the story itself), but, as I said earlier, my reading style is different from yours.

    Rorschach: I don't remember exactly, but it might have had a slow start. I think I recall thinking that it was sort of lame in the beginning. Do you remember what happened in the parts that you read?
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      CommentAuthorBeldam
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2011 edited
     

    Oh yeah! That’s the other thing I read—that in later books, Goodkind started reading too much Atlas Shrugged and it started to show up in his work, which is a shame. In any case, I was probably generalizing with my discernment statement (also, kudos for keeping your cool when I pretty much insulted you right in your face, which I’m just gonna go and apologize for right now. I practically told you this already, but I find your levelheadedness really admirable.) Kippurbird, the Eragon sporker, quite likes them if I remember reading right, so perhaps it’s a question of what a person discerns to be good or bad. For instance, I don’t care much for protaganists that instantly go the killkillkillkill route, so I try to avoid books with protaganists like that because I would be disgusted by them and tha’ts no good. I know other people would be like, “That’s right, punch that guy right in the face ahahaah!” you know? The friend of mine whose bookshelf I snagged the book off of is a very critical reader, and she said she didn’t think it was good or bad, just unintersting. However, it wasn’t one of the main Sword of Truth novels—I don’t recall the name, but one of the main characters is named Oba, which I found hilarious because I actually have a friend by that name. Does it seem familiar to you?

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      CommentAuthorInkblot
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2011
     

    I think I’ve played at least one RPG with a black NPC named Oba. Almost positive.

    I don’t know if I would use the phrase discerning. I love Robert Heinlein and Isaac Asimov novels. Asimov is a poor writer whose great redeeming feature is his incredibly vast and inventive imagination, and the sheer childish joy with which he presents new conceits. Heinlein is a really pretty good writer, not incredible but solid, who likes to stick to fairly repetitive and pulp-style plots, and in some of his work dives into an unfortunate excess of alternative lifestyle exploration (thinking chiefly of the Cat Who Walks Through Walls, which was tense, fun and interesting and then took an enormous dive into laying around and being sybaritic, really noticeably derailing the plot and the tension). Some people would consider those poorly-written or stupid. At this second-tier level, (first-tier is the authors everyone agrees are genius – help me think of one) it’s all very subjective. Third-tier, of course, is what everyone considers to be terrible writing.

    I recall you mentioning you liked Twilight, Wiz. Your comments on the book seem to indicate you’re a much more forgiving, generous reader than most of us here, which quite frankly makes me a bit jealous. I still recall a period when I was willing to let an author get away with a lot and only focus on the things I liked, but now I’m afraid one or two mistakes are it. So if you happen to have a broader base of interest than most people here, that’s no crime. We are a bit more selective in our material only because we are so hung up on being intellectual. :P

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    Beldam: I don't recall any character named Oba..but I only read the first like five books. About the insult, no worries. I'll put up some info about the series (as far as I read) in a few moments.

    Inkblot: You're probably right. Did you see my comment to BlueMask about my own reading style? I tend to just go with the novel.
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    All right. Let's talk a little bit about The Sword of Truth series :D
    Author: Refer to forum topic
    Books within the series: Wizard's First Rule, Stone of Tears, Blood of the Fold, Temple of the Winds, Soul of the Fire, Faith of the Fallen, The Pillars of Creation, Naked Empire, Debt of Bones, Chainfire, Phantom, Confessor. Those are all of the ones listed in my copy of book two. My paperback copy of book two is 979 pages long, and I think they're all between 700 and 1000.
    Magic System: Alright, one of the first things that I think might be good to talk about is the magic system, which I find to be quite simple yet quite interesting. In this story, there are both the world of the living (overworld, though i don't recall whether it is referred to as this or not) and the world of the dead also known as the underworld. Each world has a magic that goes with it; Additive magic is of the living world and Subtractive is of the Underworld. It's exactly what it sounds like. Additive magic simply adds to what already exists (like making your beard longer), whereas subtractive takes away from what exists (making your beard disappear). With the different types of magic there are also three inherent ability levels. I forget what the story called them, but essentially you either can't use the magic, are able to use it, or are gifted in the use thereof.
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      CommentAuthorInkblot
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2011
     

    Interesting. So only dead people can take away facial hair?

    Okay, the example was sarcastic, but the question behind it was posed honestly. Is subtractive magic restricted to the dead?

    • CommentAuthorSen
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2011
     

    It sounds more like whatever is taken away using subtractive magic, is sent to the underworld…okay that sounds a bit strange. So the underworld’s kind of used like a garbage disposal? That’s what it sounds like to me, at least.

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      CommentAuthorInkblot
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2011
     

    Hm. I guess. So is there a perfect state of beardedness, the ideal “what exists” that is subtracted from and added to? Is moving away from it bad?

    Also, are the dead passive or active in this magic system? If you kill a famous evil sorcerer, is he going to sit in Valhalla and do his best to suck everything out of existence? That would actually be kind of interesting.

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    It sounds more like whatever is taken away using subtractive magic, is sent to the underworld

    Or the cornfield.

    But more seriously, it sounds like Subtractive magic is from the underworld because death takes things away, whereas Additive is from the living world because life adds things? Maybe?

    Though I do like the image of the underworld being full of a bunch of old broken crap that people sent there.

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      CommentAuthorInkblot
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2011
     

    That’s what I originally thought.

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    Yes. Additive gives more because life is giving and adds upon what is there. Subtractive takes things away because death takes things away. That is why I used the word OF, it just refers to where the power comes from I guess. I can't be too sure of specifics because it was actually some time ago that I read the first book. As far as the underworld is concerned, that's where dead stuff is. Although, it does seem to be similar to the living world, because there are creatures that are said to be OF the Underworld.
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    Question: How much should I actually tell you all about the story? I really don't want to ruin anything for you.
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      CommentAuthorInkblot
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2011
     

    I confess I’m not planning on reading it, as I need to devote that time to all the 18th and 19th century literature I’ve been skipping.

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      CommentAuthorKyllorac
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2011 edited
     

    I shall quote my LJ as my opinion has not changed since then, except with regards to the TV show being better. I wrote this before the second season had been announced, and the second season is so much more fun than the first. Gotta love those series that don’t take themselves too seriously (unlike the books…).

    To summarize my opinion in a couple short sentences: it would have been so much better if the interesting things had started happening earlier rather than 400 pages in. Tense shifts are evil. Repetitive florid descriptions are even more evil. Forcing a castrated rapist to eat his own testes is not justice; it is squick. I wonder at the author’s fixation on having the bad guys eat testicles. Was bricked by foreshadowing. Darken (*eyeroll*) Rahl was pretty hard to take seriously as a villain; too shallow an evil to really catch my interest. Misspellings are evil. TOO MANY COMMAS!!! (And that’s coming from someone who likes using commas.) Correction: too many arbitrarily placed commas! My inner Grammar Nazi died a little reading this book. Other than that, I’ll admit that I enjoyed it a little, once it finally got going. Only thing is, it took forever to get going.

    So, was the TV series better than the book? In my opinion, no; they’re on pretty even footing. Where version one stumbled, the other did well. Take Darken Rahl for example. He comes off as much more evil and threatening in the TV series than in the book (his actor’s also quite the hottie). On the other hand, the theft of the Box of Ordun from Queen Milena’s castle was much more effective in the book than in the TV series, mainly because in the book, the character of Rachel is much more fleshed out.

    Final verdict: great time-killer, which is what I needed at the time. Otherwise, I would have quit at about 200 pages in. It goes on my shortlist as one of only two books that have ever made me want to fall asleep while reading it. Even the Bible wasn’t as boring as the first 200-odd pages.

    You may also be interested in this here entry of mine about my issues with Confessors.

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    hmm..well I was definitely into the book by the four hundredth page.

    OK, this topic does need addressed. Even though I already said this, I will say it again: this series contains mature content. It is for that reason that I stopped reading it.

    You are absolutely right, it is squick.. but so are child molesters. I was definitely surprised when I got to that part, it was not something that I wanted to read. Thinking about why that would be in there, I came to the conclusion that either he was putting forth his own opinion of fair punishment, or he was illustrating what an eye for an eye sort of law would require.

    Your entry on Confessors is an interesting article with some valid points. I agree with number 1, though I think I remember it saying that it DID have an effect on the confessors. Kahlan tells that that's actually how her sister died(if my memory serves me right). She was weak after using her power and got ambushed.
    2: Good point.
    3: A moral dilemma. They weighed the two choices, and made a decision. Feminism? Maybe. But I can't say one way or the other.
    4: Who's to say? We didn't create them, so we don't know.
    5: Assuming that you are referring to how the underworld magic was able to be worked in, I have an answer. If you look back to where I explained magic, it IS possible for any wizard to manipulate underworld magic. It just depends whether or not they have the ability or talent. Also, later in the series it is explained that a long time ago (3,000 years I think) almost everybody was a wizard and almost everybody had, at the very least, the ability to use both types of magic.
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      CommentAuthorKyllorac
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2011 edited
     

    War, I was past “This book is boring.” and well past “Why am I still reading this?” by the time I hit page 200. I know, for I was at the point where I was counting the pages of boring content that, were it not the only thing I had to read on the trip, I would not be reading. To this day, I recall the page count being 243.

    That’s 243 pages plus the initial ~200 pages of sheer BOREDOM that book subjected me to. And quite honestly, while the pace was great after those initial 400ish pages, HALF the book was spent boring me to death, which meant that, under normal circumstances, I never would have finished the book. Ever.

    Concerning your comments on my article:

    I recall Kahlan mentioning that her sister became weak after using her power, and that it took a very long time for her power to recover. I was under the impression that it was only her sister who suffered physical weakness, however, and that the other Confessors remained capable of fighting after using their power.

    Concerning 4, there’s this thing called internal consistency. If one strong emotional stimulus is enough to trigger involuntary confession, why not others? Con Dar could be seen as extreme rage being the trigger for uncontrolled confession, so why not extreme fear or joy? Why is it only orgasm that is mentioned as triggering involuntary confession?

    As for point 5, I recall the first book explicitly stating that wizards could not perform any Underworld magic. I’m going to go by the book on this, rather than an interpretation.

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    All I can say as far as your boredom goes is that it was unfortunate. I've never gone through a book that was THAT boring.

    1st re-comment: I can't say for certain, but that could be the case.
    2nd re-comment: I have no idea, I decided to just leave that as what the author was saying. I had no real way of deciding one way or the other, but I do see what you're saying.
    3rd re-comment: To be clear, you mean Subtractive magic right? There was some other weird underworld stuff that only Darken Rahl could do, but that was because of how much he studied it and stuff. In Wizard's First Rule none of the Wizards could use Subtractive besides Rahl. Zed, for example, was a BEAST wizard but he could only use Additive magic. Subtractive magic only really came into play in later books.
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    ok, more info on SoT ...how about I just give you the wikipedia link, that way I don't have to do a ton of typing? Ask any question that comes to mind though, and I'll do my best to answer.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard's_First_Rule

    (sorry, I couldn't make the link work)
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      CommentAuthorPuppet
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2011
     
    "test":linkurl

    Type it like that, but also make sure you have "textile" selected right below the comment box.
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    YES! Thanks Puppet :D

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    Ha-ha, I read Wizard’s First Rule, annotated it and sent it to a friend of mine for his birthday last year. I think my opinion of these books was somewhat biased though, considering the fact that I watched Legend of the Seeker religiously before reading them. Anyway, I found them to be ridiculous, but I understand why some people would find them entertaining.

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    That part where Kahlan cuts off that bad guy’s penis and makes him eat it comes to mind… That page had me laughing hysterically.

    ...Wow. Really? Wow.

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    Yeah, really. There was this child molester/rapist/right-hand-man-of the-bad-guy dude. He was (if I remember correctly) trying to rape Kahlan, then she confessed him (bye-bye willpower) and had him eat his own junk. This series is not for children.

    ok, more of the story. So it pretty much starts off with this guy (Richard Cypher) who is a woodsman. He escorts people through the woods..yeah. Anyway, he lives in Westland which is part of a bigger land that was divided into three lands by a crazy insane spell a long time ago. Westland (Which we find out has no magic in it, and is the westmost land), the Midlands (take a guess), and D’Hara. ...I was looking up the size differences and found something for you guys

    Wizard’s First Rule all typed up for you :D