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A lot of it has to do with context. The more memorable something is, the easier it is to remember the villain.
The simple answer is: they’re striking. Visually, morally, acting… in one manner or another, the villain pulls him/her-self above the pack of mooks that he/she leads.
But I do think the context matters a lot. A memorable villain in say… comic books won’t be as memorable in something like a realistic setting.
Obviously there are exceptions, but I think the key to a really good villain is that they have a logic of their own as well as the power and smarts to be a challenge to the hero. Usually the villain functions as a counterforce to the hero, and without a good one, the story is thrown out of balance (to use a really lame analogy).
Presence.
They need to have reasons behind their actions rather than just because they are evil. The reasons don’t have to make sense to normal people, but there should be some understandable form of reasoning that the villain has for doing whatever he or she does. The ones who think that what they are doing is justified and/or actually right are the scariest. I remember villains who really freak me out. They can sometimes be memorable just by doing really appalling/horrifying things, but if there isn’t a reason, then it’s like it’s just being done for shock value.
If they aren’t doing really awful things, I think the villains who just went a little too far trying to do the “right” thing are really memorable as well.
Of course, there are other ways to make them memorable, but that’s what I thought of off the top of my head.
Obviously there are exceptions, but I think the key to a really good villain is that they have a logic of their own as well as the power and smarts to be a challenge to the hero. Usually the villain functions as a counterforce to the hero, and without a good one, the story is thrown out of balance (to use a really lame analogy).
Well said, SWQ.
If you never once worry that the villain is actually going to win, then said villain isn’t well done.
They need to have reasons behind their actions rather than just because they are evil.
I are teh evul! I can does whut I wantz!
The ones who think that what they are doing is justified and/or actually right are the scariest.
I agree. Best example I can think of off the top of my head? Dolores Umbridge from HP. That bitch was pretty much insane and she pissed off nearly every fan out there… but JKR went to the trouble of making Umbridge someone who actually believes that she’s doing the right thing.
I can also think of a real historic villain who fits that criterion, but I don’t want to invoke godwin’s law.;-)
If they aren’t doing really awful things, I think the villains who just went a little too far trying to do the “right” thing are really memorable as well.
Gordon Walker from SPN.
You agree, Nate?
One villain that I’ve always thought extremely compelling was Brian de Bois-Guilbert from Ivanhoe. He’s charismatic, brave, stubborn, and altogether has a very good presence.
This post is also relevant to me because one of the stories I am working on right now is primarily driven by the villain.
The one other thing I would mention that often helps is: they have to be a worthy opponent. There’s nothing really great in beating a stupid villain. So let them be clever, let them be tricky, let them lure people in. Then, when the hero finally does manage to beat him, it means more and makes for a better story.
I’ll try and elaborate on my one word post. As I said, I think presence is the most important thing for making a villain memorable. Gravitas, credibility, whatever you want to call it, that’s the key. I need to believe the guy(or girl, or whatever it is) is truly one bad motherfucker, and is fully capable of ruining in people’s shit. The element of real menace is key, regardless of how willing your villain is to employ whatever menacing skills he/she/it has.
To provide an easy example, look at Vader based strictly on Episode IV, before they had a chance to do all the shading later. He’s got a name that actually sounds kinda silly, a costume that just looks sillier the more you look at it, and he spends all his non-speech time wheezing audibly. However, because he’s got such a strong presence, elements like his breathing become menacing traits rather than goofy ones. It signals the approach of a badass, not an asthmatic robot.
Also, I actually don’t think complex motivation and backstory and what have you is really all that necessary to making a memorable villain. Vader blew audiences away before we had any idea about him beyond his status as a fallen Jedi, and as MD said, Anton Chigurh was pretty much a supernatural force of destruction.
To further elaborate and also shill for The Wire, there’s a character that appears in the later seasons who’s really its only absolute villain, a young fellow by the name of Marlo Stanfield. Marlo’s the head of an upstart drug crew, and he’s in some respects as much an idea as he is a character, and he’s by far the most menacing character on a show full of bad dudes. He’s the ultimate avatar of the drug game, with no goals in life beyond ‘wearing the crown’ and having his name ring out across the Baltimore corners as the most powerful kingpin of them all, even if he dies because of it. He’s a true sociopath, and at points he’s an almost alien presence in a series populated pretty much entirely by realistic human characters.
Despite rarely killing anybody himself, his two chief underlings are both fearsome in their own right and spend a good portion of the fourth season as spectres of death, doing in anybody Marlo wants dead and boarding them up inside the slums’ vacant houses. The difference between Marlo’s behavior and the other, more familiar and sympathetic drug gang(the Barksdale crew), is that the Barksdales try to kill with purpose and efficiency to minimize the attention they’re paid by law enforcement(since there’s little risk of any organizational damage from drug charges, murder is the only thing they do that’s really risky), while Marlo has his people kill according to his whims. He has people killed because it was rumored they were talking shit about him, and he has civilians killed for almost no reason(something which is heavily frowned upon, at the least). Other human life truly has no value to Marlo except when it’s something he can use to advance himself.
It also helps that Jamie Hector completely dominates the role. Between his tightly coiled movements and often eerie lines, you can sense that there’s something truly monstrous lurking beneath the surface. He’s scary.
Obviously there are exceptions, but I think the key to a really good villain is that they have a logic of their own
They need to have reasons behind their actions rather than just because they are evil.
I am going to say I disagree.
Because I think this should be key to ALL villains, not just memorable ones.
If you never once worry that the villain is actually going to win, then said villain isn’t well done.
Not just that, but worry about what will happen if the villain wins. The revelation of Picard’s fate really catapulted the borg into memorability because then we could see the horror of what would happen when the borg reach earth.
Remember: if you have to explain to the audience why they should be scared of the villain, you have failed.
Gordon Walker from SPN.
You agree, Nate?
Gordon was pretty good. I also liked Henrickson as an antagonist (he was my favorite secondary character) because… well he wasn’t wrong was he?
Then it becomes funny in retrospect. If Gordon had won… the world might have been better off…
It signals the approach of a badass, not an asthmatic robot.
I agree with everything you said, even though this sentence is hilarious.
It also helps that Jamie Hector completely dominates the role.
Wasn’t he Knox “Fear makes me stronger” in Heroes? Good actor, that guy.
Not just that, but worry about what will happen if the villain wins.
By extension, that is actually what I meant. If Plankton wins, he gets what he wants – the secret formula. And then what? Mr Krabs goes broke, but Spongebob and Squidward can go work for someone who is nicer. No big tragedy there.
But if Frieza wins, or the first Terminator, or Dracula, or Doomsday, or Lucifer… well, you get the idea.
Remember: if you have to explain to the audience why they should be scared of the villain, you have failed.
Exactly. “His name was High Lord Devidemonogrius the Terrible, and he was the Emperor of the Evil Empire”
So what?
What’s he gonna do – evil-laugh me to death?
This is where the Establishing Character Moment comes in to play – like sansa also said. Many writers and directors still fail at using this properly.
I also liked Henrickson as an antagonist (he was my favorite secondary character) because… well he wasn’t wrong was he?
Henrickson was very well written. And yeah, you’re right; he wasn’t really wrong. In fact, one of the guy’s last scenes showed us that he was pretty much just like Dean (the muggle-version of Dean, if you will)... and that made his death so much sadder.
If Gordon had won… the world might have been better off…
Agree to disagree.
Also – Ruby?
More than half the time, you didn’t even know if she had a plan – never mind what she was planning.
Henrickson was very well written. And yeah, you’re right; he wasn’t really wrong. In fact, one of the guy’s last scenes showed us that he was pretty much just like Dean (the muggle-version of Dean, if you will)... and that made his death so much sadder.
Man, in my world Henrickson had his own spin-off show…
Agree to disagree.
I didn’t say that was the case, I meant it was arguable. Some might claim it (I’d claim it if I was in a devil’s advocate mood)
Also – Ruby?
More than half the time, you didn’t even know if she had a plan – never mind what she was planning.
And Ruby? Oh Ruby….
I meant it was arguable.
Oh okay.
devil’s advocate
Very punny.
Oh Ruby….
That’s what Sam said.
I’ll always remember S3 as the season that brought us Ruby (one of the most intriguing and complex SPN-characters ever) and Bela (the one SPN-character that I hated from her first scene straight through to her last. Bitchy canon-Sue.).
To never be capable of understanding a character’s motives, to always remain in the dark, to know that he is just like you or anyone else save for his outlook on life – this is one of the most important aspect of any ultimate villain in my opinion.
Kinda like Jayne.
“What if the money is good enough?”
“Well… that’ll be an interesting day,”
and Alonzo in Training Day.
“You’ve been planning this all day!”
“I’ve been planning it all week, son,”
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