Hey, folks. Sorry it’s been so long. Most of the excuses I could give are ones I’ve given before, so that’s not worth getting into. But then, these past two weeks or so have been especially depressing, as my country apparently just had to get into a debate over whether a guy who worked for years as a committed hard-line agent of a political party, casually commits perjury, and (I shit you not) may or may not have sexually assaulted multiple women should be given a potentially lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land.
So, yeah, not really feeling the funny of late. American politics kinda suck right now.
But now that all that’s been at least put off for a few days, so let’s just get to it, shall we?
Chapter 5’s title is “A Problem of Memory.” Sounds very poetic and all, but I can’t help but feel it’s CC yet again using meaningless terms to try to make this stuff sound more “deep.”
Anyway, we’re with Clary. Joy.
She wakes up in Amatis’s spare room, all recovered from ingesting magical LSD. Isn’t even dizzy when she sits up.
Also, someone changed her clothes. I’m going to hope it was Amatis, because the other option makes me very uncomfortable.
She gets up and looks out the window. There’s mention of the house being next to or near a canal, which I may have skipped over last time, but now I’m wondering why this city even has canals, given that they usually serve a purpose – namely, channeling water, either for drainage or transportation. I know we established that Shadowhunter Land is between Germany and France, an area commonly referred to as the Low Countries known for being fairly flat and having low elevation above sea-level. Still, the Franco-German boarder is pretty long, so there’s no reason Shadowhunter Land couldn’t be at a higher elevation.
Sorry, I’m clearly putting far too much thought into this. So I’m just going to ding this bit and move on.
Shoddy World-building: 1
Someone starts to open the door, and for some reason Clary decides to leap back into bed. I don’t know why she does this – who does she think would be coming in? She doesn’t even pretend to be asleep when Amatis comes in with her breakfast, so this action served no purpose whatsoever.
Entirely Pointless: 1
There’s much back-and-forth padding with Clary asking for Luke’s whereabouts, and Amatis being a bit cagey. I’m not dinging it, though, because it’s nice to see Clary concerned about someone other than Jace or herself.
Eventually, Amatis explains that Luke went off to track down his old pack. You know, the one he lead into battle against Valentine, then almost immediately abandoned to go chasing after Jocelyn like a literal love-struck puppy. Thanks for that reminder, Amatis.
Clary is upset that Luke left her behind, but Amatis is reasonable, pointing out that Clary has her own mess to deal with – namely, that she needs to get home, but she dropped in unannounced, and the authorities don’t take too kindly to that. I’m tempted to make a joke about the current state of affairs in immigration in the US, but that’d just be too depressing. So I’ll just do this.
You Keep Using That Word: 1 (“Law”)
Clary is still insistent on staying, but Amatis slaps that down hard.
“Let me give you a piece of advice – you’ll only find Ragnor Fell if he wants to be found.”
I’m really starting to like Amatis.
Also, they’re expecting an attack from Valentine, so everyone’s staying in the city.
Thwarted by this demonstration of basic logic, Clary decides to change the subject, and asks Amatis about herself. Turns out she’s the ex-wife of the late Inquisitor’s son. Because everyone in these books must be connected to each other. Also, Clary mentally bashes the Inquisitor again.
Our “Heroes”: 1
Now we get Amatis’s Tragic Backstory TM. She too was a Not-Death Eater, but left when Valentine told her husband to divorce her, what with the whole “brother is a werewolf” thing. No one wanted to hang out with her, except Jocelyn, because she’s just so Pure and Good. Kinda makes you wonder why she married a cross between Voldemort and Hitler.
We also learn that the late-Inquisitor got her job because after her son’s death, the Powers What Is figured that she’d be super-driven to get back at Valentine and his cronies, which I guess makes sense. Clary feels a twinge of pity for the dead woman, but immediately quashes it by reminding herself that the Inquisitor was mean to Jace, and that cannot stand.
Our “Heroes”: 2
We get some random discussion insisting that no, Jace does not in fact look like Valentine, even though from what little description we’ve gotten, they both do look alike, and it’s not like all children are photo-copies of their parents. But CC really sucks at the whole “foreshadowing” thing, so I’ll just leave it alone.
At the mention of Jace, Clary remembers that she’s now within a mile of him, and thus must be brought to him post-haste. Amatis shoots that down by saying that Clary is still recovering from that whole “almost dying” thing. Also, the Lightwoods will turn her in, and get both herself and Luke in trouble.
You Keep Using That Word: 2 (“Law”)
Clary thinks about that, and then about how the Lightwoods aren’t “blindly loyal fanatics anymore,” completely forgetting that said blind, fanatical loyalty was to Valentine. Also, given that she’s known them for less than a month, how well can she really know them?
So Clary agrees, and Amatis leaves. Clary takes a shower, because the Shadowhunters also have modern plumbing, somehow. Because heaven forbid Clary have to put up with something as mildly inconvenient as a cold shower. Then she goes through Amatis’s clothes, and finds her old Shadowhunter gear.
We then run into a minor continuity error – Clary recalls the first time she saw Jace and the Lightwood siblings, and that they were in their “fighting gear” with is described as “close-fitting tops and pants of tough, dark material.” Little reminder – Isabelle was wearing a floor-length white dress. I remember this, because the narration from the POV of electric-octopus demon made a point of drawing attention to it. This is why you don’t rely on your fans to serve as continuity editors, CC.
Plot Hole: 1
Because I have no idea what else to call it.
And apparently Clary can’t tell the difference between a tight, stretchy material and leather. Now, I don’t own a lot of leather clothing, but I’m fairly certain it has a very particular look to it, so I’m calling bullshit on this.
Clary – of course – decides to put on the Shadowhunter gear. Because that’s totally a normal thing for someone to do. I will give the narration this much, at least – it acknowledges that nothing will ever make Clary actually look in any way frightening.
But, of course, we have to have a point about how she looks just like her mom. Even though Clary’s only ever seen her mom in her post-Shadowhunter phase, and only photos of her from before that. I mean, yeah, I’ve seen pictures of my dad and uncles from way back that look a lot like me, but I don’t need to be wearing any particular clothing to see that.
And then, we get this:
But the Jocelyn that Amatis had known was the girl who’d plotted to bring down Valentine, who’d secretly forged an alliance of Nephilim and Downworlders that had broken the Circle and saved the Accords.
Really, CC? As I recall, that “alliance” consisted of a single pack of werewolves, and the Circle’s attack was pretty much destined to fail. Stop trying to make Jocelyn look like a bad-ass.
But all this is to convince Clary that she should just ignore everything Amatis said, and go find Jace. Because that’s what her mom would do. Or something.
So she locks the door, and very carefully climbs out the window. Well, at least she’s living up to the standard of bad-ass-itude I’ve come to expect of her.
And now we swap back to Simon. He’s had a rough night, and then the guards drag him off to see Aldertree.
The two chat for a bit. Aldertree puts on the ‘charming villain’ routine, which is kinda refreshing for this series. He manages to trick Simon into standing in direct sunlight, revealing that it doesn’t bother Simon. This leads to a discussion about how Simon got to be the way he is. Simon mentions Valentine’s boat, but that’s all. And he’s managed to avoid catching the Stupid, because he figures that maybe drinking Jace’s blood has something to do with it.
Then Aldertree brings up a good point: all the evidence – Simon being captured by Valentine, him suddenly being immune to sunlight, then appearing in Shadowhunter central command – all points to him now working for Valentine.
And then he probably reveals more than he should – namely that the Clave is divided, that the authority of the Shadowhunters is being questioned, and somehow Valentine keeps outsmarting them. Though, I have to wonder how difficult that last one really is.
And we get actual confirmation that Aldertree is the slimy politician he’s been presented as:
Appearances are significant, and never more than in politics. You can always sway the crowd, provided you have _a good story._”
Then he lays out the story he’s prepared: the Lightwoods never switched sides, they knew who Jace was, and have been working with him the whole time. They even helped him get the MacGuffins, even kill the last Inquisitor, and are now working to spy on the Clave, including bringing Simon along with them as a red herring to keep everyone busy.
And I have to say, it hangs together well. Doesn’t hurt that I’ve been suspicious of their random heel-face turn from the beginning. Also, this:
You Keep Using That Word: 3 (“Law”)
Simon, however disagrees, saying the story has a ton of holes in it. However, he doesn’t actually point any out, possibly because CC couldn’t think of any. I get the feeling this whole bit might have resulted from someone pointing out how ludicrous the Lightwoods’ situation is, and this is her attempt to address it.
And it kinda failed.
There’s more talking. In short, Aldertree wants Simon to back his story. Simon refuses. I have mixed feelings regarding the lead up to his refusal – I like that he thinks about the Lighwood kids, and presumably how they’d get hit in this mess. What I don’t like is how he then thinks about Jace, and how he’d get crap from this, and how Clary would feel about it. I mean, could we have just one thing that doesn’t somehow revolve around Jace?
Both Hands, Ma’am: 1
Just for spite.
Anyway, Simon says no, Aldertree calls for the guards to take him back to his cell, end scene.
And back to Clary. She’s wandering the streets of Shadowhunter City, because not only does she not remember the route she and Luke took to sneak in (not surprising, given the whole ‘crazy drug-trip flashback’ thing), but she also has no damn clue where she’s going.
She reaches what I assume is supposed to by Shadowhunter Diagon Alley, and we find out that Shadowhunter City is at least somewhat cosmopolitan – she sees at least one woman of clearly Indian descent, as well as a man with an “Aztec” face (not quite sure what that means, exactly). And while I do appreciate the ethnic diversity on display, it does remind me again of the “Shadowhunters don’t inter-breed with non-Shadowhunters” thing.
Shoddy World-building: 2
CC, if you didn’t want that to be an issue, then maybe you shouldn’t have written it in the first place.
Clary finally breaks down and asks a passing lady for help. She says she needs to find the Penhallows’ place.
Okay, I was so concerned about getting this right that I actually did a search of my copy to find every mention of the name “Penhallow.” It has come up exactly once from a Clary-POV section, and that was when Clary was tripping balls literally right after storming into Amatis’s place. I mention this because in my notes, I called this out as a Plot Hole. Turns out I was wrong, but I’m still calling it sloppy writing, because somehow, despite her being in the process of dying of a drug overdose, Clary still remembers everything that was said around her with perfect clarity.
But I guess having her actually work to figure this out would be mildly difficult, so at least we’re still on-brand with this.
Anyway, the lady gives Clary directions, even describing the color of the house. Which only gives Clary the opportunity to mentally complain that, no, the house is totally not those colors (indigo and bronze vs. blue and gold), which, while being a nod to Clary’s whole ‘artist’ thing, also makes her look really, really petty.
Our “Heroes”: 3
So Clary spends a few minutes loitering on the front lawn, then finally gets up the nerve to knock on the door. Isabelle answers. End scene.
Wow. That whole bit felt really, really necessary.
Entirely Pointless: 2
Okay, back to Simon. He’s in his cell. His thought process nicely points out one of the big flaws in Aldertree’s argument from earlier:
Valentine hated Downworlders, famously.
Yes, yes he does.
And here’s why I bring this up – why does Valentine hate Downworldes? Presumably, it’s an extension of the Shadowhunter opposition to demons. And yet, for some reason, Big V has no problem whatsoever using them.
Just saying, maybe this argument isn’t quite so solid as CC thinks.
But forget about that – Simon’s neighbor wants to chat. He too calls Simon “Daylighter”, which Simon asks about. Apparently, the vampires have legends about such things. Um, question – why? Why would they have legends about this kind of thing? Because in this kind of story, a legend is pretty much guaranteed to be true. So, how would such creatures come to exist?
(And I could go on a tangent here about how the whole sunlight vulnerability thing is actually a very recent bit of vampire lore, and it would actually make more sense for vampires to not be worried about sunlight, but this is dragging on long enough as is.)
We learn some things from Mysterious Neighbor – apparently, Shadowhunters who don’t live in Shadowhunter Land tend to be more tolerant of Downworlders than those that do live in SH Land. I’d be more willing to go with this, except that this is somehow an attempt to justify the Lightwoods’ relationship with Simon, and the Lightwoods are – I will remind you – former not-Death Eaters, aka the people who hated Downworlders even more than normal. And we still have no real explanation as to why they may have changed their views.
We also learn Mysterious Neighbor’s name – Samuel Blackburn. Yes, we have yet another surprisingly Anglo name for someone from Fraco-Germany.
Shoddy World-building: 3
Also, he, too is a former not-Death Eater. Only he never turned on Valentine. Not because he isn’t super-racist (though he certainly appears to be), but rather because he’s more scared of Valentine than of the Shadowhunters. Ah, fear – the best way to ensure loyalty.
And that brings this scene to a close. What was the point of this scene? For CC to insist that, no the Lightwoods are totally the good guys? To try to build up Valentine’s piss-poor reputation? Or just to fill space? I know which one I’d pick.
Entirely Pointless: 3
Okay, once more with Clary.
Isabelle is surprised to see her, and Clary explains that Jace lied about her wanting to stay in New York.
“Remember when you told me [Jace] never lies? That is so not true.”
Sorry, when did Isabelle say he never lies? Did I repress that?
Isabelle brings up Simon, and Clary casually brushes that aside. After all, why would she be curious about Isabelle asking if her presence is connected to him, when she last saw him a day ago in New York?
Our “Heroes”: 4
More talking, and Clary admits that she didn’t get permission to come to Shadowhunter city. For some reason, Isabelle thinks this will cause Jace to freak out.
You Keep Using That Word: 4 (“Law”)
Also, could we please decide whether Jace is the straight-laced, by-the-book guy, or the ‘screw the rules,’ ‘fuck the po-lice’ bad boy? Because he can’t really be both.
Clary is really insistent on seeing Jace. For… some reason. I mean, yeah, he lied to Clary for stupid reasons, but does she really need to see him right now?
And then Clary tries to guilt Isabelle into helping her. Isabelle counters by trying to discuss Clary’s outfit. Neither works, and we land back at Jace, and Clary just pushes past Isabelle.
What did all that accomplish, exactly?
Entirely Pointless: 4
For some reason, Isabelle is remarkably willing to give Jace the benefit of the doubt on this. I mean, she knows for a fact that he lied both to Clary and to them, but she’s willing to excuse that because “he has his reasons.”
Reasons he hasn’t actually shared with anyone but Simon.
And which are still very stupid.
Clary sees Sebastian, and Isabelle tells him to stop Clary. He blocks her, and he’s super fast, just like Jace. Because super-speed is apparently the only superpower that CC thinks is cool, or something.
The narration stops for a bit to explain that Sebastian looks just like the tragic hero of a comic book she’s been working on. I assume this is supposed to be the thing she was working on back in chapter 2 of CoB, and which hasn’t been brought up since. Guess someone reminded CC of that.
Also, the plot of said comic book is emo and pretentious as fuck, and it honestly wouldn’t surprise me if it was something CC tried to write at some point, and was roundly panned by everyone she shared it with.
And on top of everything else, Sebastian recognizes Clary.
Great. They have a connection.
Sebastian complements Clary on managing to sneak into the city. Says it’s “quite an accomplishment.” Dude, the city has no walls, and guards don’t patrol the perimeter. There are playgrounds with better security than this place.
Clary explains how she got there, and Isabelle is astonished. And apparently forgetful:
But there isn’t a Portal left in New York. Valentine destroyed them both—”
Okay, first this:
You Keep Using That Word: 7 (“Portal” x 3)
Second: he destroyed one Portal. One. Not both – one. He got the one at the abandoned hospital, sure, but what about the one in Clary’s neighbor’s closet? The one no one apparently knew about? When did that happen?
Plot Hole: 2
Instead of answering, Clary decides to be a petulant little shit. Because that’s such a good look.
Our “Heroes”: 5
Sebastian reveals Jace’s whereabouts, and Clary goes to confront him. And we also get this wonderful bit from Isabelle:
“Fine, Clary […] Go ahead and do whatever you want, regardless of who it hurts. You always do anyway, don’t you?”
But, of course, rather than seeing this as someone finally pointing out how inconsiderate Clary is, this is supposed to be seen as Isabelle just being mean. Because of course it is.
And to prove it, here’s a bit not one paragraph later:
But that was Isabelle – if there was a boy around and blame that needed to be pinned on someone, Isabelle would pin it on him.
Where the hell did that come from?
Clary goes upstairs, and runs into Max. We could have a nice moment here, but I think it’s just enough to remind us that, well, Max exists. Because Clary’s on a mission. Max tells her that Jace is in the library, and I honestly feel bad for this kid. All he wants to do is sit, and read his manga, and maybe get some affection from his family. And he’s just not getting that.
But who cares about that. Clary bursts into the library – because none of these kids have manners – and finds Jace making out with Aline. Because CC really only knows or cares about writing one type of plot – love triangles. It’s like she gets half of her ideas from watching bad soap operas.
And that’s it for this chapter.
We’re now almost a quarter of the way through this book, and the actual plot has yet to be seen. Which is kinda typical for these books.
Counts
Both Hands, Ma’am: 1 (Total: 11)
Entirely Pointless: 4 (Total: 7)
Our “Heroes”: 5 (Total: 36)
Plot Hole: 2 (Total: 6)
Rapier Twit: 0 (Total: 1)
You Keep Using That Word: 7 (Total: 76)
Shoddy World Building: 3 (Total: 13)
No Shit Sherlock: 0 ( Total: 1)
The Smith of Lie on 29 September 2018, 17:17 said:
If I’m allowed a little presumption, I believe we all here are just glad that you are able to continue the spork at all and choose to do so.
To be honest my first association was along the lines “need to buy more RAM.”
If that’s the case we might just as well assume it was Luke. I mean, when has CC ever gone with the less uncomfortable option?
The Shadowhunters Funland has canals because canals are cool and allow for coold action scenes with boat chases, like the one in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
I’m certain they will not even serve this puprose, but that’s onlt because having an action scene would put us in danger of 1) pushing plot forward AND 2) distracting the reader from teen romance drama. And we can’t have any of that nonsesne in Mortal Instruments.
Oh please. From what we’ve seen so far I would have been able to elude Shadowhunter authorities. And that is not because of me having any kind of training or experience in such matters.
And because they are expecting attack a werewolf managed to smuggle Clary right into the heart of the city with no problems. I’m sure they’ll repel the attack with ease given their high alertness.
Eh, just look at how much of a great judge of character Clary is. I bet that just like Stalin, Voldentine was a dashing, handsome fellow when he was young and that was enough for Jocelyn to fall head over heels for him.
But her detractors apparently would be pretty good at the job.
I’d say that her winning personality and the amount of care for her friends and family well-being make her frightening enough.
Except there’s independent source confirming that Voldentine intended to use Simon as ritual sacrifice and would have gone through with that if he wasn’t stopped.
It’d be a hell of a Xanatos Gambit on his part to purposefully allow his ritual to be disrupted by the assault on the boat just to slip a mole-Simon into enemy territory.
You don’t need to wake up early in the morgning to get a drop on Clave. Not even around the noon. I’m pretty sure you can get up late in the evening and still be ahead three steps.
When a lie made up by obstructive bearocrad du jeour to hinder the protagonists makes more sense than the actual plot of the book, you know something went terribly wrong.
I’d just love Simon to strike a deal with Aldentree, throwing Jayce under the bus, getting clemency for Alec and Isabella and some sort of special status for himself in exchange for co-operation.
Sure, that’d be sleazy, but at this point it’d be pretty nice to see someone not putting Jayce and Clary before themself for no good reason.
How big is the Shadowunters Funland? Because I’m surprised she got directions so easily. I mean if she knew the street or something. But a random person just knowing where the family lives?
Unless I missed something and it is some sort of offical/magistrage building or Penhallows are actually some kind of celebrity?
Oh please. As if Clary would actually care about Simon even if she knew full well that he is being currently held by Inquision and probably tortured. First things first, he needs to see Jace and was poetic about his angelic looks. Then maybe she’ll spend 30 seconds thinking about what would become of Simon, before returning to important stuff, namely fawning over Jace.
Because Jace can do no wrong. I bet you that if they walked on Jace standing with a bloody knife over Lightwood parents mutilated corpses they’d conclude he had no choice or some such…
How dares he! He’s supposed to remain faithful to his sister with whom he certainly doesn’t have relationship only saved from being full blown incest by the PG13 rating…
Lunafreya on 30 September 2018, 23:32 said:
I have no words. Only this.
Also, I think Aline is revealed to be gay later on.
CC might’ve been going for ‘Jace is so hawt even lesbians are thirsty for him’, but it can also be read as him trying to convert her, which is a very unfortunate implication.
Aikaterini on 1 October 2018, 12:23 said:
Was every single Shadowhunter working for Valentine, except for Imogen? Seriously, could Clary at least meet one friendly Shadowhunter who wasn’t involved with Valentine at all?
But if Jace is mean to Simon or Luke’s pack, that can stand. That can stand all it wants and this hypocritical idiot won’t have two words to say about it.
Well, she knew that Alec was gay within five minutes of meeting him and she could tell from a single photo that Valentine ‘really, really liked her mother’ once, so why not be right about this too?
Especially when all she has done so far in this series is hide an object and then remain comatose and forgotten by everyone afterwards.
Especially since Prince Jace would never consider Simon and how XY happening would negatively affect him and how Clary would feel about that. Yet he’s supposed to be the hero and Simon’s the chew toy.
Werewolves killed Valentine’s parents, so that’s at least some kind of reason why he hates them. But it still doesn’t explain why he uses demons.
Carmilla and Dracula were able to go out during the day just fine, but they were respectively hampered by lethargy and loss of powers, which is why they preferred to hunt at night when they were at full strength. So, I could still see ‘traditional’ vampires worried about sunlight, but in the sense of becoming more vulnerable.
Back in “City of Bones”, when Clary asked Isabelle if Jace is a bad liar for some reason.
She’s always giving him the benefit of the doubt. I agree with The Smith of Lie: Clary, Isabelle, and Alec could walk in on Jace stabbing Max, Maryse, and Robert Lightwood to death without a hint of remorse and hear him say during his trial that he hated them and they deserved to die, and those morons would still bleat, “No, not Jace!”
Gee, I wonder what this is leading up to.
I just wish that she’d also say this to Jace. Instead of giving him the benefit of the doubt for the umpteenth time. But oh, wait, then she’d be like that nasty Inquisitor and we all know how evil she was.
Correction: “But that was Clary – if there was a girl around and blame that needed to be pinned on someone, Clary would pin it on her.”
This entire series is a bad soap opera. Both “Mortal Instruments” and the Draco Trilogy are the same: they’re just long, bad soap operas with supernatural elements thrown in.
Urgh on 5 October 2018, 18:16 said:
Whelp, this sporking used to be fun. Not interested in your political rants, though. But I guess it’s 2018 and the only way to get one’s views across is to preach and preach until people get sick of it.
Peace out.
Apep on 5 October 2018, 18:34 said:
A) That was not a “rant.” Believe me, if I was ranting, you’d know it.
B) If literally pointing out the reality of the situation offends you that much, then I’m glad you’re leaving.
C) Given that I’ve actively pointed out examples of racism in these books, and almost literally called Valentine and his followers Nazis, I can’t imagine how or why you’d be surprised to discover that I’m not in favor of my country’s increasing descent into becoming a fascist dictatorship.
So, in conclusion, piss off.
A’toor on 17 January 2019, 13:17 said:
A) yes you were.
B) no you weren’t.
C) and no we aren’t.
Turn off cable news, stop listening to Bill Maher, go outside and get some goddamed perspective..
Nobody cares about you political opinions. You are being hysterical and unreasonable.
Apep on 17 January 2019, 16:06 said:
A) If a single paragraph constitutes a rant, you have no experience with people going on rants.
B) Kavanaugh has been a hard-line, anti-Clinton, GOP flunky for years, was accused by multiple women of sexual assault, and the country did get into a huge argument over him being given a SCOTUS seat. How was I in any way wrong?
C) Trump has literally said he’s considering declaring a “national emergency” to circumvent Congress to get his damn wall. Personally, this brings to mind events like the Reichstag fire. But, you know, I paid attention in history class.
Maybe you need to stop getting your political news from Fox, Britebart, InfoWars, or whoever and “get some goddamned[sic] perspective.”
And I’ve long since noticed that whenever people say shit like “keep politics out of it,” what they really mean is “keep politics that I don’t agree with out of it.”
And given that you’re probably the type of person who threw a giant hissy-fit over the recent Gillette commercial, you don’t get to call me “hysterical.”
Do me a favor and fuck right the hell off.
Juracan on 18 January 2019, 10:10 said:
@ the last four comments:
Chill.
ImpishIdea is not, nor has it ever been the place for in-depth political discussion, and it is definitely not the platform for political argument that’s not convincing anyone of anything. Apep just used the beginning of the article to explain where he’s been—that’s it, and that should have been all.
It is off-topic, it is off-putting, and it isn’t what we’re here for. If anyone wants to yell at strangers about politics on the Internet there are other places to do it.
Cool it.
Hmm on 19 January 2019, 15:49 said:
“Apep just used the beginning of the article to explain where he’s been—that’s it, and that should have been all.”
“my country apparently just had to get into a debate over whether a guy who worked for years as a committed hard-line agent of a political party, casually commits perjury, and (I shit you not) may or may not have sexually assaulted multiple women should be given a potentially lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land.”
He’s been in BITCHINGABOUTPOLITICSVILLE, I see!
Hmm on 19 January 2019, 15:50 said:
Dude, I don’t wanna see politcal debate here either. But do not tell me Apep did not initiate this. He very definitely did.
Francois Tremblay on 21 January 2019, 01:47 said:
Apep. just stated the facts of the case, and didn’t take any political position (unless you want to split hairs in a pointless debate over the meaning of the word “had”), so there was no need to complain about it in the first place. If Apep. had taken an actual position, then it would be different.
Apep on 21 January 2019, 11:06 said:
Okay, given how the comments have been so dominated by “discussion” (and I use the term loosely) by an entirely off-topic issue, and I’m getting tired of getting email notifications about it, I’m turning comments for this post off.
I feel like that’s probably for the best.