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  1.  

    What happened on Christmas?

    • CommentAuthorMnemone
    • CommentTimeJan 16th 2012 edited
     
    Jesus was born.

    Chinese food was eaten and movies were seen.

    Many people died.

    The loveliest plane rides all year long were flown.

    People got drunk.

    Businesses were closed.

    Gifts were given and received.

    Familial conflicts were set aside, briefly.

    Life happened.
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      CommentAuthorTakuGifian
    • CommentTimeJan 16th 2012 edited
     

    And a bunch of kids were stranded at an airport, where they taught the embittered adult passengers the meaning of Christmas.

    Feedback: I have noticed that ‘closed’ threads remain in the system pretty much forever. Would this be something that affects the performance or storage costs of the site, or are they so small data-wise as to be negligible?

  2.  

    re Christmas, I meant what happened to II for Christmas?

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      CommentAuthorInkblot
    • CommentTimeJan 16th 2012
     

    There was a “Happy Holidays” banner at the top of the site.

    We should totally do that falling snow thing next year.

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      CommentAuthorBlueMask
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2012
     

    That was amazing. And really nice job on the banner, whoever did it. It’s nice to see that my favorite forum was getting all into the holiday spirit. It was also nice to see some snow!

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      CommentAuthorPuppet
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012
     

    Check out the main site. ;)

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      CommentAuthorswenson
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012
     

    Is that going to be the new look?

    • CommentAuthorSlyShy
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012
     

    After more shaping up, yes.

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      CommentAuthorSoupnazi
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012 edited
     

    What does shaping up constitute? Because right now it’s passed the line from “simple” and into “harder to read.”

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      CommentAuthorPuppet
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012
     

    Maybe this is my bias speaking, but I like the new look. The last design contained a lot of dead links and outdated information, unfinished business essentially. Now, the articles, the link to the forum and the comments are all on one page. No scrolling, you just click and read.

    The only part that’s gotten harder to read, in my opinion, is the comments section. And I also noticed that you can’t add comments when you read with readability.

    • CommentAuthorSlyShy
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012
     

    You raise a good point. Maybe I’ll just abandon the Readability idea and include a full sized CSS file.

    Soupnazi, have you tried zooming the page? The simplicity of the layout should make it scale well.

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      CommentAuthorThea
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012
     

    It is much simpler.

    But it kind of took me forever to realize that “Discuss” meant the forum and not just being able to respond to any comment. o.O

    Honestly, though, it looks like an index rather than a full site. I’d say at least having thumbnail descriptions of each article would help (although surely more difficult)

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    I think getting rid of dead links is a good thing (like how there was this upcoming section before, but it was really outdated), and the submit button that took you nowhere is gone. However, I agree that it is a bit harder to read (to me). I think maybe because everything is so compact that it blends together. I don’t know. It also lost some of its elegance, and I miss the tags/search features.

    Really the thing that I don’t like about it is that it was pretty/elegant-looking before, and now it looks like a directory on a website or a mobile version of a website rather than a full website (to me, anyway).

    But, if this saves money and is easier or better for you guys (and you like it), then that’s great. Pretty-ness shouldn’t come at the expense of your finances or user-friendly-ness.

    One thing I will say, is that I think that the “Discuss” link should maybe say “Forum” because I wasn’t sure that’s where it was taking me because the old layout had a “Discuss” section and had comments and the forum underneath that.

    EDIT:

    Honestly, though, it looks like an index rather than a full site.

    You posted this when I was writing basically the same thing.

    • CommentAuthorSlyShy
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012
     

    I have a love/hate relationship with article excerpts. I think they can be really useful, but dealing with them is really fussy due too the various formatting issues that crop up as a result of doing an excerpt.

    So… I’ll try it out. But odds are there won’t be article excerpts anymore.

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      CommentAuthorPuppet
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012 edited
     

    That is true.

    “8 new comments today on articles. Discuss.”

    When the link to the forum is placed right next to the, “8 new comments today on articles” people are going to be misled. The first time I saw the page I thought “Discuss” would bring me to the comments section of the articles, not to the forums. Might want to separate those two, somehow.

    Edit: hah. By the time I submitted this comment 3 new ones had been posted. :P

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      CommentAuthorInkblot
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012
     

    I liked the big black header at the top. If it’s gone forever I’ll have to hunt for it with Wayback. : )

    I don’t know what to say. The old site had a lot of stuff I liked. The quotes at the top, the header, the birthday cake picture, the word cloud for articles and authors.

    If a simpler, text-only Impish is the way of the future, then whatever. To be honest I spend 95% of my time on the forum anyway. Right now, though, it does look like one of those business websites from 1995. Spacing out the article listings might help – it’s kind of clumped together at the center of the screen. Also, and this is a silly complaint, a less dorky font would probably help alleviate the Netscape vibes as well. Also, and this is a minor nitpick, I’m not sure why both the hyperlink on the II image and the Home button on the bottom have been retained. I think the image link would be enough.

    • CommentAuthorSlyShy
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012
     

    The Home button at the bottom is a placeholder for the navigation I’m still working on. The article listings will definitely be spaced out once I style them.

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    Really the thing that I don’t like about it is that it was pretty/elegant-looking before, and now it looks like a directory on a website or a mobile version of a website rather than a full website (to me, anyway).

    But, if this saves money and is easier or better for you guys (and you like it), then that’s great. Pretty-ness shouldn’t come at the expense of your finances or user-friendly-ness.

    This. Hey, you know that SOPA comment you made on Rorschach’s latest sporking? That should be our tagline right now :)

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      CommentAuthorSoupnazi
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012
     

    Okay, website’s looking nice now, but I think that by default everything is a bit too big, especially on the articles. I know I can zoom out and everything, but it sometimes messes up format and I think it’s something that could annoy new readers.

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      CommentAuthorPuppet
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012 edited
     

    I agree. The comments should be a lot smaller, and I think each individual comment should have a vanilla/butter colored box around it to distinguish it better.

    Edit: One more thing. Maybe it’s just my screen, but I think the username should be off to the right of the comment, instead of directly on top of it like it is now.

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      CommentAuthorswenson
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012
     

    Sly, did you change some stuff? It seems bigger than it was earlier (which is good, because that was actually one thing I was going to mention—everything in the center is good for a mobile device, but on a widescreen monitor, it looks kind of strange).

    On the comments, yeah, it’s difficult to tell who actually said which comment (is it the name above or below the comment?); a more distinct separation would be nice. At the very least, a colored line or something.

    I also wonder… what about the news posts? Are they a thing of the past or are you going to integrate them in some other way? I also was wondering about the “banner” text. Seems like it could fit nicely next to the logo at the top of the page, if you still wanted to have it separate from the other text at the top.

    Overall, though, I should be honest… I’m sure I’ll get used to this (and I understand and accept the reasons for the change), but I really do miss the old site. I liked the layout a lot, whereas this… well, there really isn’t much of a layout.

    • CommentAuthorSlyShy
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012
     

    I’ll continue working on this for several days, so I can make any changes suggested. I’ll get the comments looking better tomorrow.

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      CommentAuthorEbelean
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012
     

    everything in the center is good for a mobile device, but on a widescreen monitor, it looks kind of strange

    Ditto.

    I liked the tag cloud. I used to use it to find old articles (Kitty’s for example) It’s really hard to find old articles now when all you can do is keep on hitting “Older articles” over and over again.

    • CommentAuthorSlyShy
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012
     

    It’s still there. http://impishidea.com/tag

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    New design looks broken or misloaded. When I first opened it up, I hit refresh a couple times because I thought it hadn’t loaded properly. Even now that I’m not suprised by it, I still think it looks broken. /$.02

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      CommentAuthorBlueMask
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2012
     

    So it’s been changed as a protest against SOPA, or is this permanent? I think it’s good, although I did like having the latest article at the top, in a box of it’s own.
    I think that the old design was classier, but I really don’t mind, I spend all of my time of the forums, anyway.

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      CommentAuthorThea
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2012
     

    Since there’s a redesign on, is there any way to make the old articles more accessible? I hardly ever went back to reread them, simply because finding the older stuff is a pain and I don’t have time :( and I think it’s harder on new users.

    Even now that I’m not suprised by it, I still think it looks broken

    Me too. Maybe I’m just missing the image? As-is, it’s just not very welcoming, is it?

    I would totally offer to help, because of course all my ideas are going to be impossibly crazy to implement because that’s how my brain works, but I can only barely manage a little html. So therefore all my suggestions can be ignored. Unless there is some easy workaround or something.

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    There are on the articles << On the front page

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      CommentAuthorBeldam
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2012
     

    I came to mention that too.

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      CommentAuthorTakuGifian
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2012
     

    I came to agree that the ‘old’ look was far more aesthetically welcoming, better organised, and easier to navigate. I also agree with TheArmourer that it looks like a Javascript page that hasn’t loaded properly.

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    ^This.

    I miss the old version of the front page and I don't go there anymore now.
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    I’m afraid I have to add my comments to the mix. Is it possible to integrate a bit more of that old elegance with Readability?

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      CommentAuthorPuppet
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2012
     

    Eh. The front page still works, you can comment and read articles just fine (though reading comments is still a bit hard). But honestly, I prefer it to the dead links and outdated information that was the old design. Give it a week or two and I’m sure Sly will fix some of the issues and make it look all nice and pretty again.

  9.  

    Because as we’ve all learned in the years since 2005, beauty is everything!

    the dead links and outdated information that was the old design

    Why must you bring up something I agree with in order to make a perfectly valid point?

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      CommentAuthorBeldam
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2012
     

    I like the blackbar. Awesome touch.

    • CommentAuthorNo One
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2012
     

    Eh… what happened with the blackbar now?

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      CommentAuthorApep
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2012 edited
     

    Look where it’s supposed to say “ImpishIdea Discussion”.

    • CommentAuthorNo One
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2012
     

    I know, I just read the SOPA thread and now it makes sense. :D

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    There are 1 new comment today 1 new comments today on the articles

    Taken from the front page.

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      CommentAuthorPuppet
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2012
     

    I’m sure Sly will fix that sometime Sly will fix the website soon.

    • CommentAuthorSlyShy
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2012
     

    Well, this is the design strategy I took last time, and I ended up with a pretty darn good design.

    That’s why I’m trying it again. Basically, I’ll keep changing the site until people like it. Might take a while, but we’ll get there.

  11.  

    Sly, go read your wall :)

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      CommentAuthorPuppet
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2012 edited
     

    Well, we had our fun and Paladin had his 15 minutes of fame, but I respect Jeni’s wishes. Goodnight, sweet prince.

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    Puppet, with all due respect, what the flip just happened behind the scenes there?

    I’m a little bewildered.

  13.  

    I’m a little bewildered.

    I think we all are.

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    No shit. What was that?

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      CommentAuthorWulfRitter
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2012
     

    So long as I’m not the only one confused. I guessed it was some sort of inside joke from back in the day.

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      CommentAuthorBlueMask
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2012
     

    What happened?
    is late

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    I think Puppet’s gone to bed now, so we may not find out for a bit.

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    back in the day.

    ‘Back in the day’ seems to be pre-II to some extent, or my memory is really bad.

  17.  

    Who was that guy?

  18.  

    Well, we had our fun and Paladin had his 15 minutes of fame, but I respect Jeni’s wishes. Goodnight, sweet prince.

    It appears it was Paladin. Whose name appears vaguely familiar. AS?

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      CommentAuthorBlueMask
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2012
     

    A behind the scenes roleplay game that spilled onto the forum?
    shrugs I have no idea.

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    I’m gathering they’re friends from DEM days or something, and Paladin used to be here before Jeni banned him for something (or wouldn’t let him through in the first place).

    Anyone wants to do some digging on old accounts, feel free. I don’t really care anymore. Disturbed flustering imps is probably the angle they were going for. Oh, those rogues!

    • CommentAuthorMnemone
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2012 edited
     
    Just a poltergeist, a specter of years gone by.
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      CommentAuthorBlueMask
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2012
     

    Are you quoting something? I’m sure that I’ve heard that before…

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      CommentAuthorSpanman
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2012
     

    Guys, Paladin/Wayfaring Stranger was a member from the forums that came before II discussion. To be honest he was kind of a jerk. Also if I recall correctly he had a huge number of alternate accounts that he would troll around with. It was fun for a while, but, y’know, it gets old.

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    Yeah, from what I hear he's someone who's had several other accounts before.
    • CommentAuthorWiseWillow
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2012
     

    ...I am so very confused. How the heck did I miss so much? I was gone for one evening!

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    ^^Me too, Willow! I’m gone for a few hours, and a whole event happens. :/

  22.  

    That confusion you feel right now is pretty much what you’d have felt even if you’d witnessed it.

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      CommentAuthorWulfRitter
    • CommentTimeJan 31st 2012
     

    ^This.

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    Thirded. It was very… well, confusing.

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      CommentAuthorEbelean
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2012
     

    Why were there bananas everywhere?

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      CommentAuthorPuppet
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2012
     

    Because bananas are delicious.

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    I'd tell Ebelean that she needs to lay off the bong but I'm seeing these pale butterfly looking things everywhere. . .
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      CommentAuthorWulfRitter
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2012 edited
     

    I’m not sure if this is where to put this, but are the smilies now actually smilies? This is pretty cool, although they’re kind of small, so it’s hard for me to tell which one is winking and which on is smiling. ;) :)

    Now I want to figure out what other smilies there are. proceeds to waste a crapton of time doing something mindless but fun :P

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      CommentAuthorPuppet
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2012 edited
     

    I decided that instead of replacing the text emoticons with the Impies I would just give each of them their own specific command based on their file names.

    You’ll need to put a colon (:) in front of each of the 36 commands below for the Impies to appear.

    Example: (comment) (:emote)

    Here are all 36 commands for all 36 Impies:

    Let me know if any bugs/glitches arise. Part of the problem with replacing text emotes such as “:/” or “>:(” with Impies was that the “>” and “/” interfered with the extension and created some strange formatting problems. Hopefully the “colonimp” is unique enough that it won’t interfere with any posts here, but again, let me know if it does.

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      CommentAuthorSoupnazi
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2012 edited
     

    Those are really cool! :yesh I think having a guide to them actually next to posts might be helpful considering how many there are.

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    :smile

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    Thanks Puppet! XD

    :smile
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    :luv

    YAY.

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    :grin

    WOOHOO! But yeah, can we add it to the textile thing?

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      CommentAuthorKyllorac
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2012
     

    :yay

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    :imp
    Very cool.

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      CommentAuthorPuppet
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2012
     

    Completely unrelated, but I just found out that you can resize the post box be clicking and dragging the bottom left corner.

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      CommentAuthorInkblot
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2012
     

    This has actually been working for a while, but I figured I’d drop in and mention that with the latest version of Firefox I no longer need to log in at all, as even opening and closing Firefox I stay logged into the site. Dunno what happened, but it’s very nice.

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      CommentAuthorSpanman
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2012
     

    ...maybe you clicked “Remember me”?

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      CommentAuthorPuppet
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2012
     

    Your logic and sound reasoning isn’t appreciated here, Spanman.

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      CommentAuthorSpanman
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2012
     

    Fine, I’ll take my common sense elsewhere!

    No one appreciates me :’(

    • CommentAuthorNo One
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2012
     

    Common sense is good. We’re lacking common sense these days, you know.

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      CommentAuthorKyllorac
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2012
     

    I appreciate you, Spanny! I only refer to those special people in that little “I appreciate you” corner of my heart with cute nicknames, after all. ;P

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      CommentAuthorSpanman
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2012
     

    Spanny!

    I think it might be time for you to find a different corner of your heart to put me in.

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      CommentAuthorKyllorac
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2012
     

    So you want to be part of the “I don’t appreciate you” void that exists outside my heart?

    Well, if you insist…

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      CommentAuthorswenson
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2012
     

    :gasp

    We has adorable smilies now?!!

    :laughgrin Yay!

    :kitty <— This is now my image of Kitty.

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      CommentAuthorInkblot
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2012
     

    ...maybe you clicked “Remember me”?

    ... Uh, yeah ._. I’m stupid

    But thanks for the common sense.

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      CommentAuthorPuppet
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2012
     

    What do you guys think about the current state of the forums?

    Its been almost three years since the forums were created. I think one of the best parts of Vanilla forums are that everything is in once easy to access place, there aren’t the boundaries you’ll find on your “traditional” forum. But, I also think that’s one of the worst part of Vanilla forums. After three years this place is starting to get a little messy and cluttered. 1,295 discussions have been created, yet only ~50 are still active. What I’m about to propose may seem a little crazy, and it is, which is why I would appreciate your input on this matter…

    I think we should completely wipe the forums and start clean. We can always restart the “core” threads such as Minor Quibbles, The Absolutely Random Thread, Feedback Thread, etc. but I do think that everything should be wiped, or at least archived in some form.

    So, since this is the Feedback Thread I want your feedback on this matter.

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      CommentAuthorKyllorac
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2012
     

    Wiping = NO

    Archiving = More acceptable, but not by much

    The categories work fine for de-cluttering pages when you’re looking for something, though I suppose the categories could be refined/added to. I also don’t see how clutter/mess makes a sudden leap to wiping. Reorganization, yes. Wipe, no. With old threads that are well and truly dead, it might be useful to have an Archived category that doesn’t display under All Discussions for de-cluttering purposes.

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    I agree with Kyllorac. Sometimes it’s fun to look back at old threads. If you do decide to wipe the forums, could you give some notice, so that we could copy stuff we might want to see again?

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      CommentAuthorswenson
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2012
     

    This seems like an excellent time to use our new smilies:

    :stare :nuu

    I know we don’t use the older threads, so maybe, yeah, they could get archived, but I wouldn’t be too keen on a full wipe at all. Sometimes threads get resurrected (and legitimately so) after a couple of months, sometimes it’s nice to go back and look at older stuff, and so on. Straight-up deleting everything seems like a horrible idea (unless there’s a problem with not enough memory on the server side). There’s plenty of times I’ll think of an old discussion or remember that someone mentioned something this one time a year ago and go and look it up in the old threads. There’s also a lot of resources, links, pictures, etc. that have been scattered throughout various threads (the Maradonia or Twilight threads, for example), and wiping everything would mean we lost all of that. Maybe archive really old threads (over a year or over six months or something), but please don’t delete anything!

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    bq. I think we should completely wipe the forums and start clean.

    *NO* That is all. IMO I think that it's something of a truism for all forums that there are more dead than active threads, nothing to worry about it's just the nature of the beast.
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      CommentAuthorTheArmourer
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2012 edited
     

    Unless you’re thinking of upgrading, and even then I’d want to keep the old forums archived. :glance

    FACES :grin

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    I’d like to add my vote to archiving. Lately, the serious discussion has wound down, but we have had interesting talks about writing that I wouldn’t want to lose.

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      CommentAuthorSpanman
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2012
     

    As someone who’s been around from the beginning and has a lot of memories here, I would also have to say no to the wiping idea. If any wiping is to be done, I would suggest that it be of 1) threads that haven’t been active for over a year/two years, and/or 2) threads with five or less or less pages of content. A full-on wipe isn’t warranted by any means, even if the forum seems cluttered. Many of us have spent a lot of time and a lot of feeling and a lot of thought here and it would be kind of upsetting to see it all sent into the void in the name of a fresh start.

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      CommentAuthorInkblot
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2012
     

    Agreed.

    I think it would be acceptable to archive the final ten pages of threads or so, the ones dead since July of ’09. It’s fun to click back and look through them, so please don’t wipe, but if archiving saves space then one extra click is no big deal.

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      CommentAuthorswenson
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2012
     

    This is going back to the new main site (which I know Sly is still working on!), but I wasn’t sure if someone else had mentioned it. The font size is… large if you’re not reading on a mobile device. Really, really large, to the point that I have to zoom the page out to read it comfortably. It would be nice if there was a way to adjust the font size/“zoom level” on the site, or if it were possible to only do the extra-large font for people accessing the site on mobile devices.

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      CommentAuthorSoupnazi
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th 2012
     

    I think I might’ve brought that up previously, but it definitely still stands. It’s very irritating to read.

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    My feelings on wiping: wipe the older intro threads, the sunk and closed threads, old meta threads such as ImpishWriting planning or Secret Santa planning, old NaNo threads, old critique threads (perhaps send an email enclosing the critique thread to the member who had the critique so it’s not lost completely), old serious discussion threads, and other misc threads with no more than six posts that never got off the ground (this one might be hard to do, obviously).

    I appreciate that not everyone is going to agree with this, but I’m casting my vote in for also wiping the MQ thread, the SV thread, the Absolutely Random Thread, maybe the movie and tv threads, and re-starting them afresh. Especially with the MQ and SV threads, it might be good to have a clean sweep to start again (with fair warning, of course) because a lot of us have posted some personal stuff there. I know we have the show/hide feature, but pretty much anyone can become a member and view the hidden bits, and they don’t have to announce their presence. That’s my main concern here.

    But DON’T wipe the forums completely clean. It’s a bit drastic. Aesthetically it would be lovely, but we’d all begin to miss the content we’d created very quickly, especially the writing threads and the sporks.

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      CommentAuthorswenson
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2012
     

    I agree with your first paragraph at least, if wiping needs to be done. I think that’s reasonable—sunk/closed threads or very short older ones aren’t used anyway, and critique/planning type threads were generally for a specific purpose that has since passed. I can understand wiping the MQ/SV threads for the reasons you said, although I’m still not a huge fan of the idea.

    On the wiping thing, I’d also like to point out that it would completely destroy things like ongoing sporks or ongoing discussions, unless currently active threads were saved (which would defeat the purpose of a total wipe). That would be awful.