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When reading (or writing, for that matter), what kind of ending do you prefer- happy, sad, bittersweet, etc? What separates a good ending (like LotR, for example) from a bad ending (from what I’ve heard, Breaking Dawn)?
I usually go for the sad ending…
I like killing off my characters.
I usually go for sad/evil wins because I’ve read to many books where its so obvious that the good guys are going to win in the end.
Well, endings have to be honest to the story in question, so there’s no “right” way. “Bad” ends typically result from being contrived/hackneyed/forced or otherwise dishonest in some way. I don’t think you necessarily need to resolve everything, but there still needs to be some sense of resolution.
Yeah, that was pretty vague. I’m not very good at endings, myself.
Yeah, I guess you don’t want people to know how it ends without even getting to the last book in the series or whatever.
So what are some examples of really good endings? (Good in that they’re well-written, not necessarily as in the good guys win.)
I like it when you can’t really tell who the “good guys” or “bad guys” were. I.E. The First Law Trilogy.
What Puppet said.
I like the ending to the Bartimaeus Trilogy. Very bittersweet – those are my favorite types of endings.
Yeah, the Bartimaeus Trilogy ending was unexpected, that book has probably my favorite ending so far.^^
But- but they killed Nathaniel!
(Okay, he was a little jerk for most of the series, and it’s his whole symbolic gesture of being good again but he died just when he was about to stop being a jerk!)
Yeah, I don’t like it when characters die after I’ve got all attached to them, but if it makes the story better, I usually deal with the feeling that they DESERVED TO LIVE. sniffles (Look below for spoilers about the Book Thief)
In these cases, I suppose the author’s done their job.On the other hand, I don’t like it when everyone is forcibly given a happy ending just so the end of the book isn’t ‘depressing’. Let’s just say that it depends on the book, and if it’s well-written, chances are that I’ll appreciate it even as I curse the gods for killing my favorite characters.
What about endings that are kind of ambiguous?
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I like ambiguous endings, although it can be annoying when someone/an online community becomes convinced that their own interpretation is the ‘proper’ one.
I usually go for the sad ending…
I like killing off my characters.
Yeah, I’m in the midst of killing off my protagonist in the piece that I’m working on. He’s going to commit suicide, so it’s not easy, but I can’t have him survive because he’s just killed someone.
In any case, I like bittersweet endings as well as open ended stories. I didn’t like the ending to Harry Potter or the ending to Catching Fire. In the former’s case, there were too many tied up ends. (if that makes sense ;P) In the latter, the cliff hanger was RIDICULOUS. It just screamed “you don’t know what’s going to happen next, so BUY THE LAST BOOK!”
Very bittersweet – those are my favorite types of endings.
I think I like those too.
I suck at writing endings and never know how to end my stories.
I didn’t like the ending to Harry Potter
I liked it, but I understand why a lot of people didn’t. I like happy endings sometimes. I liked that everything was all resolved. I don’t know why though. I just liked it.
I like endings where it’s not quite clear how things were resolved. For some reason, I like books that end the main plot, but still leave lots of questions open, like “wait, what? Did the rebels win or lose? Are they just going to forget the whole thing now? What happened to…?”
I know done poorly these can simply become plot holes, but if a book ends on just the right note leaving lotsof questions open, it’s sometimes even more fun to imagine answers. Plus it opens the gate for speculative fanfiction.
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Now I know the ending of The Bartimaeus Trilogy.
And The Book Thief.
Thanks SWQ
...Sorry!
I’ll go hide those now. I feel really bad. But in the case of The Book Thief, it’s told out of order anyway. Less than half-way in, you already know that poor Rudy is fated to die. :(
At times like this, I wish for some Laser Guided Amnesia. By the by, er, for future members, would you please hide
For those of you who have not read the end of Harry Potter, do not read:
^^You should hide that, as Steph (and possibly others) haven’t read Harry Potter yet.
But I agree with your comments.
I didn’t like the ending to Harry Potter
I agree. The epilogue tasted like cotton candy.
Of course, you also don’t want to force your characters into a bittersweet ending, a la Philip Pullman. By the end of the Amber Spyglass, it seemed like the entire multi-verse was designed to keep Will and Lyra apart.
Now I know the ending of The Bartimaeus Trilogy.
...and the ending to Harry Potter and the Book Thief and The Amber Spyglass.
Gee-whiz.
Inorite? Who would have thought there’d be spoilers in a thread titled “Endings”?
Well, to stay on topic:
Frodo lives. Sort of.
The epilogue (of HP) tasted like cotton candy.
Yeah, that’s about right. Plus…I didn’t think Ron would allow Hermione to name their kid Hugo. Probably she bullied him into calling him after Victor Hugo or something, but I’d be seriously surprised if Ron knew who he was.
But there is something to be said for happy endings, and I can see why Rowling ended HP the way she did. Let’s face it, Harry’s been through a load of crap his entire life and he deserves his little happy family as much as anyone, I guess.
Inorite? Who would have thought there’d be spoilers in a thread titled “Endings”?
Because it’s as much as about writing them as it is reading them. And how is anyone supposed to guess which book series would be included in this thread from the outside?
Please go and edit your Harry Potter post to hide the spoiler text. I know most of us have read it, but seeing as we all know that Steph hasn’t (as was posted before), we can at least do her the courtesy of making it slightly harder for her to find out what happens.
Frodo lives. Sort of.
I love the ending to LotR. The fact that Frodo doesn’t die makes the ending even sadder for me. I ALWAYS cry when I watch the third movie, and to me, an ending that makes you cry even after the tenth time is a good ending.
Especially given how long the RotK ending is.
Personally, I love bittersweet endings
I hate it when after battles, deaths and everything… everything ends up as roses and daisies (Harry Potter?)
Also, I like my endings a little open-ended (no not the choose your own ending style), like one which doesn’t show life years ahead and shows who married whom, how many kids they had, and what they named them (Again, Harry Potter?!)
Of all my stories only 3 end ‘happily’ (i.e. the main couple getting together, lalala, everything returning to peace, lalala)
Since I <3 ‘Anyone can Die’-esque stories all my stories are that-esque
Example ending (WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE):
-> The MC is forced to eternally ‘watch over’ the world after he accepts the taint of an ‘immortal’‘s soul to stop the ‘baddies’ and avenge the fallen, at the end the world doesn’t return to peace but is pretty much prepare for a longer yet equally bitter war (most civil and interracial wars) [Out of around 12 characters only 3 survive, the MC, his cousin sis and her bf/husband; so yea, theres plenty of death]
<The above is bound to sound cliched, because i’ve sticked to using cliched terms to describe… I love protecting my more prized stores <3”
Because it’s as much as about writing them as it is reading them. And how is anyone supposed to guess which book series would be included in this thread from the outside?
Thanks, Jeni. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who assumed the context was about writing endings, not writing spoilers.
The fact that Frodo doesn’t die makes the ending even sadder for me. I ALWAYS cry when I watch the third movie, and to me, an ending that makes you cry even after the tenth time is a good ending.
I know! sobs I’m getting all choked up thinking about it.
Yeah, that’s about right. Plus…I didn’t think Ron would allow Hermione to name their kid Hugo. Probably she bullied him into calling him after Victor Hugo or something, but I’d be seriously surprised if Ron knew who he was.
Whatever, you know Ron named him that himself just to be a dick.
Yeah, I was one of the three people who actually liked the epilogue.
Please go and edit your Harry Potter post to hide the spoiler text. I know most of us have read it, but seeing as we all know that Steph hasn’t (as was posted before), we can at least do her the courtesy of making it slightly harder for her to find out what happens.
Very well, very well. But I’ll have you know that Bruce Willis was a ghost, and Rosebud was the sled.
Edit: Speaking of which, what’s your opinion on twist endings?
Sucks to be Adam’s protag.
I don’t like completely unhappy endings. I’m sorry, even if it’s good literature, which I will appreciate, I can’t love it if EVERYONE that I’ve been made to care about over the course of the book ends up sad and alone and/or dead. I know, it’s realistic, but I don’t always read books for realism. Sometimes I like a little ray of sunshine too, even if it’s just a hint of light.
Twists…depends. If it’s a stupid one that a five year old reader can sniff from a mile away, (*cough cough Eldest cough cough*) and there because there needs to be some sort of ‘surprise’ then no. If it’s genuinely something I wasn’t expecting, then I’m definitely open to it.
I know, it’s realistic
I disagree.
Speaking of which, what’s your opinion on twist endings?
I like them when they’re done well. It can’t come out of no where, but I shouldn’t be able to see it a mile off. My favorite twist ending was Stephen King’s Dark Tower series.
In my experience, you know a twist works when everybody tells you “I should have seen that coming!” after the reveal. It means you were able to lay the groundwork in a believable fashion without tipping the reader off overmuch.
Of course, that’s a subjective and highly variable measuring stick, but I don’t know a better way to gauge it.
Ooh, the Dark Tower series seems to have an interesting ending. I like it when one originally thinks something is going to happen, then something happens to make that IMPOSSIBLE, but in the end it was the first guy all along.
Spoil not the Dark Tower! I’m about to start reading it.
Thanks for looking out for me, guys. :P
I like twist endings, but you need to foreshadow them. Not so much that its obvious, but enough that people can’t turn on you and say that it was too sudden or it came out of nowhere or felt forced.
I suck at endings. I never can actually write them. Any advice?
I try to have them mirror the openings as much as possible, to take the guesswork out. It’s only been a marginally successful strategy.
Also I swear all the short stories I wrote for class last year ended on single lines.
I’ve been considering a myriad of different options for the ending of the plot involving a male and female protag (yes, they’re in love but have several, erm, issues with each other), including:
1. The male and female protag never end up together after playing hit-and-miss for years. The guy marries someone else and has a family. The girl goes off and does her own (unspecified) thing.
2. Guy dies. Girl goes off and does her own (unspecified) thing.
3. Girl dies. Guy marries someone else and has a family.
4. Guy and girl finally get over their issues (which have been driving them apart for years), trust each other, and rebuild their relationship. (If they ever get married, I think they’d end up as fighters of poverty in the slums, educating poorer youths.) This is the ‘happiest’ ending, I guess, at least for the guy and girl, but everything’s not going to be sunshine happy cheese rainbows, obviously.
Yes, there are common elements, but all swapped around. What do you think? Right now, I’m leaning towards either 1 or 4 because I don’t know how effectively I can write a death scene.
They all seem like solid options, but in a context-vacuum it’s hard to call any of them objectively superior. Some people will probably to tell you to go for the happy ending just because, or one of the downer endings since people tend to think of those kinds of endings as being more sophisticated, but I think you should just wait until you get to the end to decide if it’s truly a toss-up right now. If you’ve written up until that point, it should be pretty easy to decide which one’s the most honest way to end it.
@SWQ
I agree w/ sansa all options are solid, but I only have one thing to suggest, please don’t make a chapter entitled ‘Epilogue’ and fill it with all the details, essential encapsulate the ending within the last few chapters (i hate it when theres a many years later chapter showing everyone’s fates… I hate it when the author specifies the complete fate and family at the end… for example if the MC is say a ‘wanderer’, I would hate the end if it states that he realized his love for some girl, he marries her, they shift somewhere and they have x no. of children named Edward, Bella and Jacob… I would prefer an ending where he and the one he loves realise their feelings for each other and it simply ends with them say, ‘wandering into the sunset’)
The above is just my opinion :P
(and death scenes aren’t terribly hard as long as you portray the emotions correctly, and the character(s)‘s death has some meaningful impact for which he/she is remembered with whatever emotions… i hate it when the other protags simply forget about someone who dead and go on frolicking)
I would prefer an ending where he and the one he loves realize their feelings for each other and it simply ends with them say, ‘wandering into the sunset’.
That is actually another option I was considering- they both sail off into the horizon, literally. (He loves ships and she has an affinity with the ocean.) This might be the one I might like to go with- I can imagine out their later lives completely, but it doesn’t have to be written into the story.
I like that.
I’m still a failure at endings, but I actually have a little bit of an idea for how to end what I’m working on now. Maybe. It’s very vague. I’m mostly just a failure at endings.
EDIT:
I just realized that my being terrible at endings is probably why most of my stories for high school English ended in “and it was a dream” or something similar. I don’t know why I always did that. “It was all a dream” stories piss me off most of the time when I read/watch them.
If I was an English teacher I’d fail a kid straight away for ending a short story like that. Unless there was some good reason for it. I had an English teacher who told us to not write stories about aliens or a few other things she’s gotten so bored of. This same teacher annoyed me once though because she corrected my grammar in SOMEONE’S SPEECH. It wasnt MY bad grammar it was the CHARACTER’S! That was a random tangent…
Since I havent written much I dont think I’ve actually ended much. I only remember one particular short story which had a horrible ending that the teacher hated, with both the monster and the vitcim dying together for no real reason. For my big novel trilogy idea I have a vague idea of how it ends but I dont really know what the last scene will be. And for my parodyish novel idea that I might change to a comic/graphic novel I might end it with a cliffhanger with no intention of ever doing a sequel.
EDIT: damn I made some pretty weird typing errors at the start…
Endings are hard. Mine pretty much ends with one of the leads walking off.
I always know how I want my story to end and I how I want it to start…the middle’s always the tricky spot. Which actually sucks, because the middle is, well, a large chunk of the book, isn’t it?
I always got 100’s on them because they were good up until that point. One of them that I remember wasn’t exactly a dream. It was like whenever the protagonist went to sleep, she went to another reality/planet thing and wasn’t sure if it was really happening. The other one was getting experiments run on her or something, and that was the dream. But, yeah, I don’t do that anymore. Now that I’m thinking about it, those are the only two times I can absolutely remember doing it. But, we didn’t get to write a lot of stories. My elementary ones were better (ending-wise).
My favourite ending in any story is the start of a new adventure.
What do you mean they only get one, solve it, and then go back to living like Muggles?
Just my two cents…
;-)
I like a bit of ambiguity. Like Klutor said, the end is only the beginning…
I really, really, REALLY like bittersweet endings… happy endings leaves an odd taste in my mouth and sad endings are just… well, too sad. Although some sad endings are awesome.
Like Klutor said, the end is only the beginning…
Thank you, SWQ.
I really, really, REALLY like bittersweet endings…
Me too, but they have to be 3 parts sweet, 1 part bitter and 1 part salty.:-D
I prefer 3 parts bitter, 1 part salty and 1 part sweet. :P
Ah, okay.
So you have a team of a few heroes and a mentor.
What happens at the end is this:
Mentor dies = salty
Hero beats villain = sweet
Hero’s love interest marries someone else = bitter
Hero’s love interest is pregnant with hero’s child and neither of them know it = bitter
Villain’s henchman survives and finds out about kiddie who is on the way and plots to kill him in the sequel = bitter
Kind of like that?;-)
Perfect. :D
Perfect. :D
Glad you like it.
I usually don’t like happy endings… Most of the time I just think, “Oh look, good guys win again.”
I’ve been using the circular journey motif a lot for my endings. Maybe too much. I incorporate it in varying degrees of literal-ness. Usually it turns out more bittersweet than happy.
I usually don’t like happy endings… Most of the time I just think, “Oh look, good guys win again.”
This. ^^
Eh depends on the story. Many stories NEED to have the good guys win for obvious reasons. As long as they made lots of sacrifices and things arent the same anymore, the good guys winning is good. If you dont want good guys to win then dont read good and evil black and white stories. I’m trying to make sure there’s enough sacrifice and development to make the endings I have in mind for various story ideas good. One of my book series is your basic good vs evil, one story is a sort of grey area with the whole end justifies the mean thing, and some I’m not sure about.
Which is why I said usually. Sometimes I think it would just make stories a lot more interesting if things did not go as expected in the end. Most of the time I’m cheering for the good guy… But books that aren’t predictable are the ones that make me think the most, and the ones I don’t just forget about in 3 days.
I like endings to be mostly happy. They need to be positive overall or I just get depressed. But if things work out perfectly with no complications, yeah, that’s boring. Things need to go in strange, unexpected directions in the last act of a book. There must be loose ends and there must be things that don’t work out the way I want/expect them to. But… overall, I prefer if they’re largely positive. Depressing endings can take amazing books and make them difficult for me to ever read over again, my personal indicator of whether or not it was a good book to me.
It’s interesting to see the underdog not win every now and again, and deal with the ramifications. I was watching The Bad News Bears (the remake) recently, and it surprised me that such a classically-plotted underdog sports buddy-movie had the protagonists actually lose. I was disappointed that the director turned it all around (really illogically and without transition) so that the protagonists still managed to look like they came out on top.
In more general terms, I like an ending that leaves things open. Yes, the story as it is has ended, but the characters don’t just stop living and go back to thier own lives. How do they deal with what they’ve experienced? Does X get over his [personal weakness], or start to slip back into his old habits? Basically, endings that inspire, but not require, follow-ups or sequels. Just enough questions to leave me happily daydreaming, but not so many that I feel cheated.
Just enough questions to eave me happily daydreaming, but not so many that I feel cheated.
That’s a good way to put it. I like those endings too.
I like bittersweet endings almost as much as happy ones, even if they make me sad.
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Bittersweet. I also like when an ending leaves me wanting more so much that I play/read it again.
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