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Children’s personalities are generally simpler than adolescent or adult ones, but are nevertheless unique. How do you write children to make them memorable and stand out?
Birth to 13.
I wouldn’t say they’re any less complicated. I think children don’t get enough credit in that sense. They are definitely more innocent for the most part, so that should affect their motivations and behavior, but they do things for a reason, as much as anyone else.
Steph, you are awesome.
That deserved a figurative tip of my hat.
Oh, one thing I forgot to add: You can’t go all ‘isn’t that cute’ with kids, you have to treat them as little people for whom the rules of the world work slightly differently.
That is so true.
...I’ve tried to keep a journal multiple times in the past. I mean, I’m not even fourteen and the memories are fading away.
That makes me regret never keeping a journal.
I kept almost starting, then deciding that I’d left it too late.
I don’t know what to write in a journal. I wish that I could just have some kind of thing where all my thoughts are recorded when I think them.
I don’t know what to write in a journal. I wish that I could just have some kind of thing where all my thoughts are recorded when I think them.
I’ve thought that as well. It would also be helpful to have a decent memory.
Children’s personalities are generally simpler than adolescent or adult ones, but are nevertheless unique. How do you write children to make them memorable and stand out?
Actually, your personality is pretty much fully developed by age six. I don’t know where I heard/read that, but it was on something science-y. They just don’t seem as complicated because they have limited life experience, and their opinions/feelings aren’t given as much attention as that of adults because they are “just children.” And also, what Steph said.
I do agree that it’s harder to write for them because they have an innocent quality that’s different than adolecents and adults.
You just have to eliminate everything you remember learning after puberty lol.
Being a child is damn fun. :D
i know, eh?
I’ve been trying to write about children, just because they’re so different and innocent, and I find it easier to write about them than the teenage hero character. >.>
It’s THAN, Puppet! THAN! Not THEN!!!
/grammar nazi.
Actually, no!
/grammar nazi
The world needs grammar!
/spam
It’s THAN, Puppet! THAN! Not THEN!!!
Facepalm
:P
Hey, give the child a break. ;)
I remember being a kid and having these little epiphanies like, “when I’m older I will remember X so I won’t be an oblivious adult like my parents”.
I remember being a kid and having these little epiphanies like, “when I’m older I will remember X so I won’t be an oblivious adult like my parents”.
I still think like that. I’ve been thinking of writing some things down.
...Is that bad?
No, write them down! Get it down on paper or you will forget it. Looking back, I wish Little Juniper had written Big Juniper some notes on how to understand kids, how to remember to think like a child again.
Looking back, I wish Little Juniper had written Big Juniper some notes on how to understand kids, how to remember to think like a child again.
Mm, yes, same here. Although—I’ve been volunteering at a zoo day camp recently, with preschoolers to second-graders, and I find that being around them really brings back memories. You forget how it was to be a kid until it’s shoved in your face.
Lol, you do need to write stuff like that down. No one else is going to read it.
I remember being a kid and having these little epiphanies like, “when I’m older I will remember X so I won’t be an oblivious adult like my parents”.
Yeppers yeppers, Sgt. Peppers.
Being a child must have been odd. I remember being absurdly pleased over silly things, and obsessively doing the same thing (like jumping off a chair) repeatedly for hours at a time.
I used to headbutt stop signs and fuseboxes when I was in first grade. Supposedly, this is where my tested IQ dropped quite a bit, but I don’t buy it, since I eventually got smart enough to quit.
Before I learned how to read I used to think these
signs meant you would fall through the floor if you stepped near them. :P
Haha, I can see where you could come to that conclusion.
Speaking of children, I found Ken Robinson’s view on the creativity of kids pretty interesting. If you’ve got 20 minutes to spare, check that out.
I wish I could get back my childish mind in which I felt that even the most boring things were fun. I’ve tried, but it hasn’t worked yet. Being a kid was great. :(
Good times…
I fond that really interesting, thanks for the link, RandomX2. :D
np Puppet :) He’s a pretty interesting guy though, eh?
@happycrab
I find 10 to be the ideal age in which one can make some intelligent decisions/ unique ideas and also be innocent or foolish. Having a genius character who also throws temper tantrums would be a bit strange, though.
Is the temper tantrum a thing the character starts off with but grows out of throughout the course of the novel?
That’s how little kids act, right? They throw tantrums and don’t feel sorry for misbehaving, thinking they did nothing wrong?
I know adults who act this way too. – _ –
I’ve met some kids who were more intelligent than most grown folks, but they were still childish anyway. Most of them haven’t got the experiences or the frame of reference to assemble a mature worldview by then.
Maybe 10 is a good age. She isn’t a genius at all.
It all depends on the character herself. I’ve got a 10 year old genius going out to pick swordfights with grown men, and it doesn’t seem that ridiculous to me, given what I know about the character. The easiest solution would be to try writing her a bit and see what sort of behavior feels natural when you’re writing her.
Though would a 10 year old really have the body strength to compete with a full grown adult?
Almost certainly not. Strength training pre-puberty is pretty useless at best, and dangerous at worst. Children that age don’t have the hormones necessary or (typically) frames large enough to carry acquired muscle properly. My 10 year old swordsman(who’s really just my protagonist in a flashback, not a real character proper) really only ever gets his ass handed to him when he picks fights, but it seems like a kid that age who learns things at a ridiculous pace wouldn’t be content to not try to apply his knowledge, I think.
I’ve met some kids who were more intelligent than most grown folks, but they were still childish anyway. Most of them haven’t got the experiences or the frame of reference to assemble a mature worldview by then.
The biggest thing I’ve found with the kiddos I’m around is how very, VERY literal they are. They take seriously the gimmicks on TV and are very trusting in that respect. I didn’t really develop out of this until I was….13/14 ish….yeah. I nearly drove my mother insane.
Ditto on both counts.
We need to do a collaborative article on this for the main site. II needs more traffic. (When Sly reads this, he’s going to punch the air with his fist. I’m agreeing with him for once.)
@ happycrab91: if you want, I’ll take a look at the speech about her feelings. I can pick up on stuff like that.
Have any of you ever read God of Small Things? My english teacher assigned it over the summer. But it does a really freaking good job of characterizing the way children think and behave.
“When I lost my memory, I never really
‘really’ needs to go. It’s not something a child would say.
felt like I was missing anything. It felt like I had woken up into the world for the very first time. But when I started to bond with Alya, for the first time since falling from the sky I felt like there was a hole inside of me; something I had been missing my whole life.
she’s elaborated too much. Children don’t. They just say what they think is right, and they think everyone understands what they mean. This means that the girl may become a little incoherent sometimes. Say something like, “Her brother understood that she meant she had felt something missing from her life.(in better wording, of course). You can use her brother to become the medium for the reader to understand what’s going on.
Alya filled that hole, and when I got my memory back I realised what I had been missing was my mother’s love. She was more of a mother to me in the short time I knew her than Cassiopeia was my entire life.
Again, too coherent. Kids at eight understand these concepts, but they can’t put them into words so well. They don’t add additional information unless it’s crucial. So saying ‘in the short time I knew her’ etc isn’t something an eight-year-old would say.
And now she’s dead!!”
“I don’t want to go back to having the mother that chose her country over her own daughter!
Now, kids would feel that but never say it so blatantly
I don’t! Alya, please come back… please come back”
I like that part.
What I can tell you is that she’s too coherent. Limit the number of words she uses to a smaller vocabulary, and don’t let her elaborate on her ideas too much. You’ve got the concepts down, you’ve got the feelings right, but not the wording. You’re summarising too much of the story in a character’s words, which is unneccessary and boring. And you use too few exclamation marks for a kid of her age :)
Here’s how I would word it (using ‘Bro’ as substitute for brother’s name). Be warned—it changes drastically:
“I didn’t know anything, Bro. Didn’t want anything. Everything was all new. But when Alya came and I… it wasn’t there! It wasn’t there! And I never had it and I didn’t know till then that I had a hole inside me!
[Starts to tear up] And Alya made it better, and she… she mommied me, Bro! And when I remembered everything, it was all gone! I didn’t have a mummy/mommy, ever! Cassi’peia never did, ever. And now…”
[Bawls her little eyes out]
“Why didn’t she choose me?” instead of her country? Bro finished silently. He moved to comfort her, but she shoved him away. “No! I don’t want you, Cassi’peia!” she said through the tears. “I don’t!” And she pushed at her mother, who was really Bro, and cried again. Her body was shaking. “I don’t want you! Alya, please come back… please come back…” Huddled up on her bed, she made no move to stop her brother when he put his arms around her.
[silently sobs away] [Brother comforts her and sings her to sleep]
Phew, that was hard and I’m really scared I’ve stuffed it up. Anyone got anything else to add?
Yeah I thought I made her too coherent and elaborated too much.
Well, what did you need me for?
Can I just ask everybody if that concrit was way off the mark or not?
No, I thought it was straight-on.
I do realise it wasn’t a yes or no question.
Thanks. And thanks again.
Lol, I’m not trying to be egocentric, it’s just that I’m terrified of being wrong.
I am ego-centric without trying to be. And I’m terrified of being wrong (which is sometimes the cause of my arrogant bluffing).
What I have in common with certain/random people is creepy.
Those traits aren’t that unusual. It is very odd to read through these boards and notice how much you have in common with people, though.
a lot of series have abnormally smart children, so I might make her pretty smart (and there would be a secret special reason for her smartness) which is why she can’t relate to children her own age and thus still plays with her dollies at a possibly too old age. Although as someone said would a super smart child throw tantrums? Well I guess the tantrum I wrote wasn’t exactly a tantrum. Older people can argue their point pretty loud all the time thinking they are right with no logic involved.
1. I ditched stuffed toys at about age five, thinking they were babyish.
2. If a lot of series have abnormally smart children, make yours normally smart. It’s probably worth the extra effort.
3. I still throw tantrums, and I’m sixteen.
4. That last sentence means you need to make a child’s logic a little more disjointed. Partly it’s personality in older people, partly her age.
Oh, another thing about children: They don’t get embarrassed at the things you think they would.
Children and childish things… to be honest, I believe children are perfectly intelligent, only lacking two things: experience and the ability to reason. Yes, kids can figure things out, but I just returned from a camping trip on which I saw my young cousins (they’re… what, 4 and 6). They’re both very intelligent little girls, but they suffer from one problem that really marks them out as children- they absolutely cannot fathom the results of their actions. My cousin Emma was digging in the sand, for example, and was completely clueless that she was throwing sand all over everyone else. She wasn’t doing it intentionally, she didn’t want to do it, and she understood that we didn’t like it. It was simply that she had no comprehension of “when you’re throwing sand around, it can get on other people, so watch out to make sure you aren’t getting it on them.”
So… to end a rather disjointed post, I think the key thing to writing about small children is that they have a very small world (themselves) and rarely look outside of it (to see the effects of their actions). They don’t realize they aren’t paying attention. If you write a small child, make sure to capture this essential idea. I hate it when small children in books instantly can figure everything out- unless they’re Bean, they aren’t going to understand the effects of their actions consciously, so be sure not to write like that.
@ Steph: What, you ditched the stuffed toys?! cuddles Wolfie, Snowy, and Larry
@swenson Give them a break, they just aren’t tall enough to see very far ahead :x
I like swenson’s view. I repeat again, we need to collaborate all of this into an article for the main site.
@ SWQ: I just saw no use for them. I did display them, though, and felt horribly guilty for not playing with them. I thought they came alive at night and missed me. I did hang onto my Barbies for a while, though they never ‘came alive’...
Bean or Ender are by far two of my most favorite characters in fiction.
Hey, if somebody wants to put this all together in an article… you’re welcome to shamelessly steal my words!
Or could we divide it up into sections- one person writes about a child’s view of the world, one person writes about a child’s experiences, one person writes about other characters’ reactions of the child, one person writes about having a genius child and why/why not an author should have one, etc.
I was thinking more of having one person collaborate the lot, but mention everybody else as article authors.
Or we could just talk about things like this:
M — But there’s icecream today.
S(wil) — I prefer pie.
SWQ — it tastes like chicken.
as they do in the sporkings. Although it would be far harder to read and amass information from.
Making children under the age of five distinctive is easy. I have two nephews and a niece in that age range, and each has a prominent characteristic. The younger boy gets into everything, but is impossible to be mad at because he is ALWAYS giving impulsive hugs and kisses. The girl is very sweet, a little pouty, obsessed with pink… a real girly girl. The older boy is precocious, curious, and always asking questions. And he’s ridiculously tall- only 4 and tall as most 7 year olds.
Those traits aren’t that unusual. It is very odd to read through these boards and notice how much you have in common with people, though.
“You” as a general pronoun or me?
I think an article like that would be interesting. I think it might be difficult/frustrating to read at points, but the idea is compelling.
It could be called How to deal with and write children. Weaving the ‘to deal with’ part in would probably help organise it.
“How to deal with writing children”?
Read The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas for the holocaust from a kid’s perspective. I haven’t read it myself, but if it nails it as well as they say it does…
Agreed, that book is wonderfully written and quite touching.
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