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I just saw the 2004 movie in its entirety today, and I love it. I love Raoul, I love Erik, I love Gerard… yeah.
To start a conversation:
A lot of people think Christine should have stayed with the Phantom, and I can see why (OMG his face with the rose on the roof and he’s crying oh poor baby!). However, she was under the impression he was the ghost of her dead father. That’s slightly squicky.
Should Christine have stayed?
Is this Phamtom “...of the Opera”, or aka “Ghost Who Walks”?
It says a lot about me that this was the first thing that came to my mind after I read the thread title.
@TG
Phantom of the Opera.
Phantom always struck me as a creeper. A slightly sympathetic creeper, but a creeper nonetheless.
I was mad on the Phantom for a day and a half. Then I woke up in the middle of the night and realised that Raoul was much better for her.
The Phantom is awesome but in a creepy, stalkerish kind of way.
Fanon!Erik, yes. Canon!Erik…I pity him, but he’s a possessive genius psychopath.
But I also rather dislike Raoul. And Christine is the epitome of Damsel Perpetually in Distress, which just gets on my nerves.
Phantom always struck me as a creeper. A slightly sympathetic creeper, but a creeper nonetheless.
The Phantom is awesome but in a creepy, stalkerish kind of way.
I explained the plot of the 2004 movie to my sister, and she said the same thing.
We’re going to see a kid’s version of it soon, and I said “That’s impossible! You can’t do that! Half the songs are about how he wants to have sex with her, and the other half are about how she’s scared of having sex with him!”
Even when it’s Gerrard Butler, who I have been informed is far from the worst person to be with?
The 2004 movie!Erik was essentially Gerard Butler with some sort of radioactive sunburn.
Not bad.
That’s slightly squicky.
Yeah, I agree. But honestly, I don’t know if I liked Raoul better; he always annoyed me.
I say this to Raoul-haters (They call him the Fop, engage in fop-bashing and fop-killing…): Patrick Wilson was almost the Phantom, but they thought his voice was better suited to Raoul.
WHAT?! Woah, I can’t believe I didn’t know that…
I love Raoul. I’m sorry, but I’m totally a Raoul girl. I didn’t mind his hair, and he was pretty cute.
Christine is very damsel-ish, but she does get them out of the final predicament, so… I guess not every heroine has to be Action Girl. It’s just an old-fashioned ‘saving power of love’ thing.
I love Raoul, too! steals Ha! Now I have him and Christine can go and crawl back to Erik!
Ben Affleck was the bomb in this.
Afro:
GETOUTNOW.
I love Phantom.
But Christine should not stay with Erik. He was insane and evil.
but sansafro will come and save me, singing as he goes…
No promoting your own ship.
For the record, I’ve never seen or heard any version of Phantom of the Opera, I just wanted to make a J&SB joke.
ALSO THERE’S A PHANTOM USER ON RIGHT NOW OMG
I love Phantom.
Yay, I’m not alone!
THIS has to be the worst photo of Raoul I’ve ever seen. I’m now waging war on Warner Bros.
They did this on purpose!
EDIT: Okay, this one’s a little better, but he still looks kinda girly.
At least they put Erik up with his ‘sexy face gone wrong’ as well. Blech.
ha ha. Me again. Looking for some fellow Christine/Raoul shippers and I found some icons that were too funny not to share:
So Webber is making a sequel, or so I read. “Phantom of Coney Island” or somesuch.
Also, I’m totally divided over Raoul and Erik. I would have chosen Raoul, but Erik…..sigh
....crawls off to cry.
So Webber is making a sequel, or so I read. “Phantom of Coney Island” or somesuch.
I heard that that’s the name of the sequel book, and the musical is called “Phantom 2: Love Never Dies”.
HAHAHAHAHA
That title is cheesier than the first one. Oh no….oh no….oh no. Why can’t they just leave well enough alone?
At least there might be some good songs!
Phantom 2: Love Never Dies
It sounds like a bad fan fiction. :/
It was based on a fanfic novel, so it’s not surprising. Basically, it’s the musical fanfic of a fanfic of musical fanfic of an original work.
Haven’t we already covered this?
But I second the ‘can’t they leave well enough alone’ remark.
I Wiki’d it. Apparently it’s set in CONEY ISLAND, and the Phantom actually COMES OUT OF HIDING TO DESIGN ALL THIS GREAT ARCHITECTURE.
The caps raeg indicates the parts I cannot believe.
It gets worse. In the book version, Christine friggin’ DIES!
No WAY is this canon. NO FREAKING FRIGGING [INSERT BIG BAD SWEAR WORD BEGINNING WITH ‘F’ HERE] WAY!
Sorry. I’m a little het up, as you can tell.
So Webber is making a sequel, or so I read. “Phantom of Coney Island” or somesuch.
I KNOW! It greatly disappoints me. D:
There ought to be a petition to stop this madness
Insert appropriate meme here. This is madness!
I like the meme idea. Of course, we don’t know how much they’ll adapt the book, so she could live.
...I was talking about this with my friend on the bus today and she said “Christine’s not real, Steph. And anyway, she has to die sometime, right?”
I said, “But she shouldn’t die!”
She said, “Okay, what do you want to happen, then?”
Me: “The Phantom dies or something!”
Her: “He can’t die! He’s the Phantom of the Opera!”
xD
Wow. Very nice. And I believe it’s called Phantom of Manhattan (which is somewhat more dignified that Phantom of Coney Island (Wtf really?) ). Andrew Lloyd Webber, I thought when you made a show about furries yowling for three hours, it was bad enough. But this? You come to our theater, with the script of badly written money-grubbing sequelitis, you insult our characters…
This is madness! Madness, no…. THIS! IS! SPARTA!!!!
Sorry, couldn’t resist
I thought when you made a show about furries yowling for three hours, it was bad enough.
But Cats is about cats! And it has Macavity, and Magical Mister Mistoffelees!
Don’t apologise.
This! IS! SPAMNEDNESS!
Like madness and spam and Sparta.
Seriously, if Christine dies, I’m refusing to take it as canon and calling it a money-grabbing sequel. If the Phantom makes his peace with Christine being with Raoul, believably, I’ll call it a pretty good sequel.
Bump.
... wow. Exactly a year and a day from the last post. Anyway, this was too funny not to share. Everyone, I present to you:
Are they really making a Phantom Squeakquel Singquel Sequel?
I rather enjoyed the movie; and, as I’m a guy, I’m not Team Raoul or Team Erik.
I will, however, say that Raoul’s feelings for Christine seemed more genuine… and Erik, well, he’s a psycho.
Plain and simple.
At least (unlike some other creepers out there) there’s a very good reason for why he’s so messed up, even if it doesn’t justify all the sh-t that he does. I’ve watched the movie something like three times, each time with my sister, and she always cries her eyes out at the part where…
I refuse to admit the sequel exists.
the movie is silly. I love it to peices, though.
I refuse to admit the sequel exists.
Yeah, what sequel?
the movie is silly. I love it to peices, though.
I love the movie. It’s one of my all-time faves. But yes, it IS silly :)
My favourite part was the graveyard scene when the hero comes up, riding bareback on the white horse to save the girl. It had me in stitches, even though I seriously loved the rest of the movie. It was like, okay, there’s a line between harking back to ideas of a grander time, and cliche… and Joel S-what’s-his-name just crossed it.
riding bareback on the horse to save the girl.
You left out the word “white”, Steph. I’m pretty sure it’s a white horse.
That graveyard fight was cool though – too bad Raoul lost his fighting skills at the end and just stood there while Erik put the noose around his neck.
The stage workers, drinking and joking and flirting in the background, were hilarious. And realistic, too.
You left out the word “white”, Steph. I’m pretty sure it’s a white horse.
facepalm That was the best part about it! Fixed now.
I think Raoul got taken by surprise at the end. I’m not sure. I’ll have to rewatch it—and now I have the perfect excuse!
I also loved all the dancing in the Masquerade sequence.
Roflmao.
Have a look at this:
In sleep he sang to me
In dreams he came
That voice which calls to me
And speaks my name
And do I dream again?
For now I find
The Phantom of the Opera is here
Inside my mind
Sing once again with me
Our strange duet
My power over you
Grows stronger yet
And though you turn from me
To glance behind
The Phantom of the Opera is there
Inside your mind
:D I just sang that whole thing. I do love that music!
Lol. So do I.
Me three.
But did you ladies even notice what I did with it?:-)
I deliberately didn’t click or my life could’ve been ruined. But yes I did :) Well done.
Thanks blush
One of them is not like the others, though.
Look again.
:-)
Oh, I saw it, all right. Either site has life-ruining potential, however, so I chose not to click. :)
Lol.
Oh, swenson, I thought you wouldn’t be able to resist a picture gallery of Gerard Super Deep Voice Butler…
:D
I’m not as obsessed as a friend of mine in high school, though. She was the epitome of obsessed with him as the Phantom!
Oh dear.
Did she at least acknowledge the fact that he’s just an actor, not the character?
Because a lot of Twihards think of RPattz as Edward that way. When he was on the set of his other recent movie, Remember Me, they shouted at him to not play in it and “remember who you really are”.
What the actual f*ck.
Oh, swenson, I thought you wouldn’t be able to resist a picture gallery of Gerard Super Deep Voice Butler
I can’t resist it! squee
and who says that innuendo was accidental?
Oh, yeah, she wasn’t that obsessed. She liked him in other movies as well, just particularly liked him as the Phantom!
@swenson – then it’s cool.
I rather like Johnny Depp, for example, especially as Captain Jack Sparrow, but in other movies as well.
Sweeney Todd and Public Enemies, to name but two.
I also think that he’s a pretty cool guy awesomely talented actor, as he brings the characters to life and makes them extremely convincing.
and who says that innuendo was accidental?
You have a dirty mind, Inspector. But don’t worry, so do I, from time to time. Also, so does Webber, if you turn out to be right.;-)
Because a lot of Twihards think of RPattz as Edward that way. When he was on the set of his other recent movie, Remember Me, they shouted at him to not play in it and “remember who you really are”.
Hooooooooooly. I’ve seen Remember Me. ‘Twas good.
Also, so does Webber
Yes. Yes he does.
I’ve seen Remember Me.
I haven’t, but my sister has.
‘Twas good.
She will definitely agree with you. She told me the ending though, and I’m not sure I want to see a Super Tearjerker Movie™. I remember watching that Ladder 49-thing with an ex-girlfriend; she cried her eyes out and I just sat there feeling very sad and lost and confused. ‘Twas horrible.
Yes. Yes he does.
Suspicion confirmed, then.
She will definitely agree with you. She told me the ending though, and I’m not sure I want to see a Super Tearjerker Movie™.
It was a message that needed to be said, though. It wasn’t a tearjerker for the sake of an abstract theme—or, even worse, just for the sake of being a tearjerker. Also, the acting was awesome. And his lil sis was cool.
she cried her eyes out and I just sat there feeling very sad and lost and confused. ‘Twas horrible.
Did it not have an effect on you or do you just hate crying?
Did it not have an effect on you or do you just hate crying?
Strangely enough, neither. The movie did have an effect on me – that’s one of the reasons why I felt sad. And no, I don’t hate crying. I’m one of the first guys who would try to comfort a weeping girl (unless she’s just looking for attention – in which case I’ll ignore her).
The thing was, however, that that girl usually only cried about real-life problems, which I could help with (or at least, support her and listen and so on). When she was crying over a movie, I couldn’t do anything – it’s not like I could instantly rewrite the script to make it a happy ending.
So yeah.
Also, I’ll believe you about Remember Me.
The thing was, however, that that girl usually only cried about real-life problems, which I could help with (or at least, support her and listen and so on). When she was crying over a movie, I couldn’t do anything – it’s not like I could instantly rewrite the script to make it a happy ending.
Oh, I getcha now. Something that may ease your mind: she’s not personally sad. She’s just living vicariously through the characters for a moment. You don’t need to do anything :)
That sounds painfully obvious now that I’ve said it. So no offence to your intelligence meant.
No offence taken…;-)
You don’t need to do anything :)
I’ll remember that the next time I somehow end up in a relationship.
So, difference smoothed over peacefully?
Awesomeness.
I’ll remember that the next time I somehow end up in a relationship.
And then you’ll take her to every single tear-jerker you can find to get out of doing anything at all, right?
So, difference smoothed over peacefully?
Awesomeness.
Oh yes. Sometimes I start ranting on about stuff, going ‘you HAVE to see this’ and losing my sense of proportion. Thankfully I remembered not to do that this time. You’re lucky.
And then you’ll take her to every single tear-jerker you can find to get out of doing anything at all, right?
As long as she accepts me for the insane creature that I am, why not? Also, she has to be willing to watch my type of stuff with me too.
While cuddling.
And drinking copious amounts of coffee.
Thankfully I remembered not to do that this time. You’re lucky.
Sounds a little like me.
I’m overall a very lucky bastard, hahaha.
As long as she accepts me for the insane creature that I am, why not? Also, she has to be willing to watch my type of stuff with me too.
While cuddling.
And drinking copious amounts of coffee.
I think as long as your kind of stuff extends to Phantom, you’ll be okay.
Of course you might have to be a Gerard Butler look-a-like to keep her after the first few times you watch it together.
Hey, I wouldn’t be on the Phantom thread if I didn’t like the story. The movie was very hammy and all, but still well done.
Of course you might have to be a Gerard Butler look-a-like to keep her after the first few times you watch it together.
If I have to pick a fictional character that I think I do look like, it’s L from Death Note. Except that my hairstyle is vastly different.
Hey, I wouldn’t be on the Phantom thread if I didn’t like the story.
That’s what I meant, actually. Apologies for awkward wording. It happens in my world from time to time.
It’s okay, Steph.
Don’t worry about it.
:-D
Hey, did anyone notice that movie-Raoul says a line that can be taken as prophetic, since it’s an unknowing reference to a meme that was born three years later?
I remember somebody somewhere on the interwebz posted about not being able to get ‘No. THIS IS SPARTA!’ out of their head, and now it’s had the same effect on me.
Yeah, that’s actually what makes it so funny. Raoul refers to Erik (Butler) and the Persian Messenger reacts to what Leonidas (Butler) is doing.
Also, I picked up a neat little Actor Allusion in Spartacus: Blood and Sand. (don’t know if any of you have ever watched it – it’s very gory) The guy who played the messenger is the gladiator trainer in that series. So one day, the former champion (a guy named Crixus) does something unnecessarily stupid.
Cue trainer asking him: “Crixus, what is this madness?”
I haven’t seen it, unfortunately.
It’s pretty good, as far as historic thingies go.
Although I have to warn you – it contains:
3 times as much slo-mo as the Matrix trilogy
6 times as many severed limbs as Dexter
44 times as much sex as My Immortal
300 times as much blood as, well, 300
9000 times as many brutal battles as Dragonball Z
and a f*cking truckload more constant swearing than Pulp Fiction (I even picked up the C-word in there a few times).
So yeah.
Although you might not mind all that, seeing as how the main baddie is played by John Hannah, who clearly enjoyed every second of it. I was sorely tempted to rename him John Ham-Man, but that would, of course, be an Incredibly Lame Pun.
Sounds like my kind of movie, but not my kind of movie, if you know what I mean.
Uh, it’s a TV series, Steph.
;-D
Well, there you go. You know I’m not lying when I say I haven’t seen it.
Pigeons.
I randomly thought of pigeons last night.
True story.
I didn’t think of them at all last night. Equally as true a story.
Mayyyyyybe we should get back to Phantom, a-heh-heh. Has anybody else read the original book?
Equally as true a story.
For some unkown reason, that made me lol.
Anyhow, I learned about Webber’s version in school. grade 6, to be exact. But no, haven’t read the book yet.
I love Raoul in the book even more than in the movie.
Can he fight better this time?
Lol.
Like I said earlier, in the graveyard he fought like a Man Possessed by Awesome.
At the climax, he was a male damsel.
Can he fight better this time?
Quite the opposite. He did sail around the world while being in the navy, but he cries at the drop of a hat and is always a step behind everybody else, plus somebody else does all the brain work, etc. He’s just along for the ride (and to save Christine). He’s such a woobie, though, and he loves Christine so much that removing his Possessed by Awesomeness doesn’t matter. He’s still my favourite incarnation of Raoul.
Like I said earlier, in the graveyard he fought like a Man Possessed by Awesome.
At the climax, he was a male damsel.
Yeah, there needs to be a different ending… wait. You’ve given me an idea.
he cries at the drop of a hat
I am not going to criticize or mock that.
I am, however, going to suddenly think of an instance in Dark Yagami: “he started to cry with happy but then he stopped and man cried in stead which was more manly”.
You can’t help but crack a smile.
He’s still my favourite incarnation of Raoul.
Which is why I’m not gonna criticize or mock him.:-D
Yeah, there needs to be a different ending… wait. You’ve given me an idea.
That’s what I’m here for I could see the bulb lighting up above your head even from here, hehehe….
Which is why I’m not gonna criticize or mock him.:-D
Thanks. And trust me, read it. You can’t mock him or criticise him then. He’s so devoted to Christine, you just want to hug him and pat him on the head all the time.
I could see the bulb lighting up above your head even from here, hehehe….
I’d ask if that’s you outside my window, but I’m a little afraid of the answer…
You can’t mock him or criticise him then.
I’ll see if I can find the book, then.
He’s so devoted to Christine, you just want to hug him and pat him on the head all the time.
Pat on the head, maybe. Not so sure I would hug him, though.;-)
I’d ask if that’s you outside my window, but I’m a little afraid of the answer…
Nevar!!
The sexual dynamics of this show are unhealthy
This, I will agree. Most profoundly. It’s worse in the 2004 movie.
there are only about six musical themes — all the tunes get recycled.
I don’t mind that, actually. The way it all ties in. I find it interesting.
That must have been interesting to work on, though, if frustrating. Tell me more about it? If you want to?
How have I missed this thread?
The sexual dynamics of this show are unhealthy
True. But I think that’s part of the psychological intrigue of the story. It’s fascinating to watch, but it’s certainly not something I would seek in a normal, healthy relationship.
That must have been interesting to work on, though, if frustrating. Tell me more about it? If you want to?
Yes, please. That sounds very interesting.
The chandelier was made with a spray-painted hula-hoop and the plastic caps of two large jars, connected by nearly three meters of plastic bead-string, with the hula hoop in the middle and the caps at the top and the bottom
I’ve seen the show and think it’s awesome, but somehow envisioning the fatal chandelier as a spray-painted hula hoop makes me laugh. :)
Christine steered the joystick in the boat while Erik sang.
I wondered how that worked. Very cool. Requires a fair bit of subtlety on the actress’ part to keep from looking as though she’s piloting the boat.
I had to crawl on top of the handrail and lock my legs into the rail and haul the cyclorama up
If I had to do that, it would rain pee on the set.
Any questions?
Out of curiosity, how did you get the job?
This was really interesting; thanks for taking the time to post. I admit that it does sound like a hellish and stressful job, but when I’ve seen the performances, it always comes off looking so beautiful and smoothly done – a testament to the awesomeness of you guys working backstage.
Oh man, that’s really, really cool. I love reading about all the backstage tricks that go into making things look awesome for the audience, so that was really interesting to read. Thanks for posting it!
Also, yeah, you’ve got guts, climbing up and around like you mentioned! I’m not too scared of heights, but it would still take quite a lot before I’d feel confident doing stuff like that.
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