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    Exactly what it says on the tin.

    I’d like to start off the discussion by running around the thread shrieking “BRIAR! NUMAIR! JON!” over and over again at the top of my lungs.

    • CommentAuthorCodeWizard
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2009
     

    Her name makes me lul.

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    Incidentally, so does yours.

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    No, it's more like GEORGE! NEAL! TAYBUR!

    (I'm not into the Circle. The first series was okay, but after that it just went downhill. Too samey.)

    Trickster's Queen was the absolute best!
    • CommentAuthorWitrin
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2009 edited
     
    The Trickster books were the best.



    Her longer books just seem more interesting to me...

    POUNCE! FAITHFUL! INKINGS!!!
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    r u a furry?

    Squire and Lady Knight rocked as well!
    • CommentAuthorWitrin
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2009
     

    Furry?
    No. No. No!
    And yes, Keladry’s quartet was cool.

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    • CommentAuthorWitrin
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2009
     

    Uh…most emphatically not.
    especially after reading that…

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    Heh heh. I was kidding about the furry thing. I’ve been dying to link to that article somewhere.

    (Oh, by the way: CLEON!)

    Who do you think Kel should have ended up with?

    • CommentAuthorWitrin
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2009
     

    Hmmm Nealan? ...Maybe…

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    I just don’t want her to end up with Dom. Really really.

    Cleon or Neal. And I can’t choose.

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    I just don’t want her to end up with Dom. Really really.

    Cleon or Neal. And I can’t choose.

    Same. Neal- funny, sarcastic, and all in all a good match for Kel. Also, he is a lot like Dom, which could mean that Kel only likes Dom because he’s like Neal. Cleon – the one Kel really, really loved. spears Cleon’s fiance with glaive Oops.

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      CommentAuthorElanor
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2009
     

    I didn’t much like Cleon.

    <<
    >>

    Don’tkillmeplease.

    I loveloveloved the Daine books, though. Numair is fantastic.

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    Disclaimer: I am not in the intended age bracket for TP’s books, but after someone on the old AS forums suggested it I gave them a try.

    Read a chapter of First Test, didn’t hook me. Terrier irritated me to no end with how Sueish the main character was within ~10 chapters, but I stuck with it. It’s not bad. The minor characters are still more interesting, though. I may read Bloodhound, but I don’t think I’ll try any of her other books.

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      CommentAuthorInkasrain
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2009
     

    My favorites of hers are by far the “Protector of the Small” series. Pierce manages to keep her cliches to a minimum there (even though the swarms of miraculously intuitive birds start to grate on me after a certain point) and Kel is generally a likable character. So the shrieking for me would be limited largely to NEALAN! WYLDON!

    I liked the initial “Circle” series to a point, as I thought the chemistry between the four friends worked very nicely. Sandry is also possibly the most unique of Pierce’s girl characters, being pretty much completely non-martial, and only possessed of a rather lame magical power. I do like Nico, though… may have to add him to the scream list…

    I’m reading “Bloodhound” now, and I’m not particularly impressed. Beka is basically an amalgamation of characters from other series with an irrational, unrealistic and selective shyness slapped on her, and the books are rife with cliches and convenient plot devices. (“Dust spinners” who pick up exactly what Beka needs to know, when she needs to know it? Uh-huh.) In addition, Pierce is about as subtle as a hurricane when she incorporates her personal views into her books, and it’s gotten worse here. Using a character as an unabashed mouthpiece for barely-veiled political sentiments is never good writing, no matter what the character/author is saying.

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      CommentAuthorElanor
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2009
     

    I liked Terrier a lot more than Bloodhound. Right now, Bloodhound is starting to grate on my nerves, and I’m missing Rosto.

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    Have you met Dale yet?

    • CommentAuthorWitrin
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2009 edited
     
    EDIT: Possible spoiler.


    There's a (symmetry?) in Bloodhound that's annoying. What with how she gets to have both Goodwin (In Bloodhound) and Tunstall (In Mastiff) as partners, and the way that she uses the dust spinners and birds for plot twists. I mean, it's not as if Pierce can't write the plot twists without using them... It's does add a bit of Mary Suedom to it.
    Which is sad, because I like both books.

    The symmetry with the partners reminds me of Eragon, with how each of the leaders die at the end of each book. Ajihad dies to make way for Nasuada, Hrothgar dies in Eldest for Orik (or whatever his name is) Hmm....Islanzadi might die at the end of the fourth book....
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    Tunstall (In Mastiff)

    Wait, what?

    In addition, Pierce is about as subtle as a hurricane when she incorporates her personal views into her books, and it’s gotten worse here. Using a character as an unabashed mouthpiece for barely-veiled political sentiments is never good writing, no matter what the character/author is saying.

    That is one of the many reasons why I dislike James Patterson.

    However, I think that knowing all of the author’s faults, and loving the books anyway, is a sign of good writing.

    For instance, I love PJO, but I noticed every time he made a statement that meant that, in the end, it would be perfectly fine for Percy and Annabeth to be together, despite the fact that he is her uncle.

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    @ Inkasrain: WYLDON?????????????????????

    I know. I hate the personal views thing. And yeah. Cleon and Kel really loved each other. Awww…

    (But then I remember Neal…)

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      CommentAuthorInkasrain
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2009
     

    @Steph: LOL! Yes, Wyldon indeed. He’s honest, hardworking, and never gives or takes any BS. I particularly appreciate how Pierce is very clear that he isn’t a villain, despite being his sexism at the beginning of the series; he is a man who thinks the world works in a certain way, and he genuinely tries to do the right and honorable thing based on what he believes. Wyldon’s arc through the series, his realizations about himself and about Kel, is realistic, awesome, and most importantly, handled with a subtlety that Pierce too often neglects.

    (Yeah, I may have thought too much about this…)

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    Yeah, he seems pretty cool. But he’s old, like, really old! and he has a wife and kids.

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      CommentAuthorInkasrain
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2009
     

    I guess he’s on the older side… I, ah, I guess that just doesn’t… bother me? Too much? In fictional terms? Of course, I would never, in real life… um… well. You know ;-)

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    I do. :) hee hee.

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    I read Trickster’s Choice and loved it. That’s it… I’m going to try and hunt down the Protector of the Small series this summer. ;)

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    Trickster’s Choice was the first TP book I ever read, back in year seven (sixth grade to you Americans, I believe). I thought it was a standalone, for some reason. Imagine my joy when I discovered the shelf containing pretty much all of her books at the library!!! Seriously, I think Trickster is Tamora Pierce’s peak.

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    Really? Well then, I haven’t missed out on much. ;)

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    Well, don’t kid yourself. You have. Alanna was awesome, Daine was a little less awesome but still eligible for the ranks of awesomeness, Protector of the Small was FANTASTIC, and Trickster was THE MOST BESTEREST. So you’ve got to read the others.

    What I meant by peak was that everything else written after that is just less good.

    And the Circle Opens and The Will of the Empress just sucked big time, anyway. And Melting Stones? Don’t even go there.

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    Really? Strange, I’ve heard that they were both excellent… Admittedly, that was from a girl who thought Twilight was the best thing to hit book stores since Eragon…

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    Well, you know. I used to like both Twilight and Eragon, so… I’d better elaborate to defend myself.

    The thing that bugged me about The Circle Opens was that the plots of the four books were all the same. Student grows up to become teacher, whilst figuring out a mystery along the way. Too much of a coincidence. And once you’d read book 1, you knew what the rest of the books would turn out to be like. Melting Stones which was [student of the teacher who used to be a student]-centric was just taking it too far.

    And what annoyed me about The Will of the Empress was a) it was a standalone instead of a series. and b) ***HUGE HUGE SPOILER!!! LIKE, HUGE!!!* Now, this was just a mouthpiece for her own views, and it shows. She even said in an interview that she wanted to ! Now if that isn’t messing with characters against who they are, then I don’t know what is! Someone as profilic as she is should have known better.

    Huge retcon involved, of course.

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    Ah, I see. It’s like Brian Jaques and how his books became rather repetitive after the fourth one…

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    Couldn’t be bothered with Redwall lol.

    Wow, looking back over this, I sound so condescending.

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    I was mad she didn’t make WotE into a series. If it has a name like “The Circle Reforged”, it’s supposed to be a series.

    I personally can’t wait until she gets into Numair’s backstory and Briar and Rosethorn’s trip to Yanjing. Tris going to Lightsbridge? Not so much.

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      CommentAuthorInkasrain
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2009
     

    @ Steph- Agreed completely with all of your thoughts. (Except for Trickster being the besterest ;-)) The original Circle quartet worked, I thought, because the characters played off one another so well and there was a very nice contrast of innocence and power being worked out. That pretty much evaporated with the Circle Opens quartet. I had hopes for Will of the Empress because it brought them all back together, but the book was just a bad idea on all counts.

    And I still think Pierce works better when she keeps her books on the shorter side. The Alanna books were shorter than they could have been because of the publisher, I believe, but her longer works, like Empress and the Beka Cooper books, tend to be filler/exposition heavy. The medium length of something like Squire, for example, lets her hit her stride without getting so comfortable that she puts every little detail in.

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    @ Inkasrain:

    Two things:

    1. What do you think of Trickster as a piece of writing, then? (not as its content. For me, mediaeval-spy doesn’t get much better than this, but I can see that not everybody would appreciate this masterpiece as I do, heh heh…)

    2. I actually quite like the original Circle. But I say I don’t and refuse to read it just on principle. Because then I have to think about the terrible places it ends up.

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      CommentAuthorInkasrain
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2009
     

    @Steph,

    I admit, I can’t really judge Trickster. I read the first few chapters and put it down, because Aly (was that her name?) really grated on my nerves. I was never the biggest fan of Alanna either, so the multi-generational aspect didn’t do anything for me. But just judging them by length, I don’t have too much of a problem with them; the Trickster books are only a little longer than Lady Knight, does that make sense? Certainly not as long as Terrier or Bloodhound, which really (I thought) require more time than the plot reasonably needs.

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    I think I loved Trickster cause I wanted to be Aly.

    And yeah. Considering how much was packed into Magic Steps. And then you see Terrier (haven’t read Bloodhound) and it could definitely have been done.

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    I read the first Trickster book, but not the second. Is it worth it?

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    If you’ve read Trickster’s Choice, yes. And if you are an Aly/Nawat fan…

    SPOILER!! HUGE SPOILER!!

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      CommentAuthorElanor
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2009 edited
     

    Have you met Dale yet?

    Not yet. I did skip to the end, and found out about him. Why?

    XDDDD I remember that. Unfortunately, I used to steal my mum’s Harlequin novels when I was little (don’t ask me why, I do not know), and was already aware of the whole explicit!sex-in-a-book.

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    Not yet. I did skip to the end, and found out about him. Why?

    I was going to tell you about that, if you were so inclined. Never mind.

    XDDDD I remember that. Unfortunately, I used to steal my mum’s Harlequin novels when I was little (don’t ask me why, I do not know), and was already aware of the whole explicit!sex-in-a-book.

    I didn’t find my mum’s stash until last summer.

    And it wasn’t even my mum’s. It was cleverly hidden out in the open at my grandma’s house. shudder

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    @ SWQ: If you liked it, it’s so worth it. Basically in the second book, the Balitangs move back to Rajmuat. Imajane and Rubinyan are acting as regents for Dunevon. And Aly and her ‘pack’ begin to systematically undermine the peoples’ confidence in the Crown by means of various… heh heh… ‘exciting’ methods…

    It was way better than the first book.

    And spoiler

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      CommentAuthorWiseWillow
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2009
     
    Numair! George! Nawat!

    Yaaaaaaaaaaay. Yumyumyumyum. I liked Immortals best. The cliches never really bothered me. I can willingly suspend disbelief. I like PotS, SotL, and Trickster equally. Terrier was fun, though it bothered me a tad that she threw in a new, never before mentioned type of magic. She'll need to do something about how somehow the dust twisters die off, so they are just a memory by her future books (and thereby she's excused for inventing a new magic for an older period).
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    She’ll need to do something about how somehow the dust twisters die off, so they are just a memory by her future books (and thereby she’s excused for inventing a new magic for an older period).

    Aw, but I like Hasfush! (sp?)

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    She’ll need to do something about how somehow the dust twisters die off, so they are just a memory by her future books (and thereby she’s excused for inventing a new magic for an older period).

    I hope so. Boy do I hope so.

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      CommentAuthorWiseWillow
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2009
     
    Ditto. It reminds me of the Star Wars prequels, where it's in the past but technology is super impressive and shiny, not crappy like in the future....
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    I never thought of it like that. I suppose because I don’t really care about anything she’s written after Trickster. (I can’t wait, however, for the Maura books she might be writing.)

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    (I can’t wait, however, for the Maura books she might be writing.)

    YES!

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    When are they coming out? Does anyone know?

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    I don’t. I can’t even find the timeline of books she used to have, like “Briar and Rosethorn in the war – 2010” or something. I’m really mad, too, because I really want to see that book. And the book series all about Numair.

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      CommentAuthorElanor
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2009
     

    If you go to her website they’re right there on the left side.

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    2014. We have to wait until 2014 to read about Maura.

    I’ll be in college! I’ll be busy! I’ll be old!

    Well, kidding about the ‘old’ part, but I’ll be in college.

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    So will I! (Well, uni, anyway.) I thought they were coming out in 2012!

    But I can’t believe she’s actually writing about Briar (again) and Numair!! Male protags! How odd for Tamora!

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    But I love Briar and Numair! And since I love whumping, I foresee some extra-special whumpage, especially in the Brair book.

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      CommentAuthorWiseWillow
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2011
     

    My dad ordered me all the Lioness, Immortals, and Protector of the Small books online.

    Does the happy happy dance

    WHEEEEEEEEEEE.

    • CommentAuthorNo One
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2011
     

    Wow, there’s a fan club to TM!?

    Awesome!

    I am a HUGE fan of TM and her books. As soon as I get my Kindle, I’m going to put in TM’s books in it because they’re the only books I would happily re-read.

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      CommentAuthorWiseWillow
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2011
     

    My favorites are the three quartets listed above. Trickster was alright; the Terrier books are so-so. I don’t like her Circle books, only Tortall.

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      CommentAuthorPearl
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2011
     

    The only books of her’s that I have read are Trickster’s Choice and Trickster’s Queen, and I loved both. They deserve a reread actually.

    • CommentAuthorMnemone
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2011 edited
     
    I liked the Trickster books and the Beka Cooper books -- I just finished *Mastiff* today.

    In defence of George's distinguished ancestor -- nobody else has her ability naturally in the Tortall universe, and it just might be that none of her descendants or their pals happen to have that magic -- it's pretty special. I saw her books, especially the first two, as magical/supernatural police procedurals, kind of like *Top Ten*

    The Circle books were pretty good too, though I like Briar and Tris the best.

    How is Daja being lesbian inconsistent with her character? I don't recall her hankering after the young gentlemen or young ladies in books previous to *Will of the Empress* .
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      CommentAuthorEbelean
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2011
     

    @Mnemone:

    The Trickster books are my favorite too!

    Didn’t Daja like Ben Ladradun in Cold Fire? Or was that an unrequited obsession on his part (that’s the impression I got). I think the reason people see her as inconsistent isn’t so much she expressed interest in either so much as it seemed thrown in there to Make A Point.

    Oh, and you should make an intro thread. :)

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      CommentAuthorWiseWillow
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2011
     

    My favorites are the three Tortall quartets: Song of the Lioness, Immortals, and Protector of the Small. Trickster was okay, but I just didn’t like Aly as much as Alanna, Daine, and Kel.

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      CommentAuthorWiseWillow
    • CommentTimeDec 7th 2012 edited
     

    Sorry for thread resurrecting, but FYI Mark Reads is doing the Tortall books. ALL OF THEM.

    Also, Tamora Pierce has been commenting on reviews. YES, YOU READ THAT SENTENCE RIGHT.

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    It took several tries, but I finally got your link to work, Willow.