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Sturgeon’s Law applies here.
Are you referring to Sturgeon’s Revelation?
Why don’t you check the trope title again?
The trope mentions how Sturgeon’s Law (“Nothing is always absolutely so.”) is often confused with Sturgeon’s Revelation (“90% of everything is crud.”).
In this case, the Revelation seems more relevent.
Oh, true.
Semantics. And they both mean just about the same thing.
Heh, if you guys talk about Eragon like you do on here, you’ll probably get banned pretty fast! I’d go troll some Twilight forums, but I’m too scared after reading that xkcd strip… remember, CP was homeschooled. He probably knows the Internet. Unless you want Book Four to be a crossover with Eragon going on 4chan… ;)
Hmmmmm I think that trolling Twilight forums may be more beneficial. The fans there are more rabid and more massive. xD
Check your mail, the verification letter is probably sitting at the top of your inbox.
Or your junk folder.
Did you put in the right email address? I messed up that once… put “hotmail” instead of “aol”. Thankfully, no one had a hotmail account with that address, so I just created it.
Really? Do tell.
There used to be a whole separate Critique forum in an attempt to combat the flaming. But that was until too many fans became (effective) antis and the arguments had been repeated ad nauseum.
Looks like some people still aren’t bored of it. Yay.
For the most part, the fans are too young/think too immaturely to debate properly with anyway. Just read that thread linked for evidence.
I read that thread. Now I want five minutes of my life back.
It won’t let me read anything. It won’t even let me sign up for an account.
Maybe I’ve been preemptively IP banned?
Did you (or someone else in your house) ever sign up there before and get banned? If so, they probably IP banned you. Most forums do.
Quote from the forums on there:
Star Wars does suck. I actually really like Inheritance.
The only things I don’t like is the Eragon is a Mary Sue and Nasuada’s becoming a tyrant.
WTF? Star Wars sucks? It’s the same plot as Eragon, and 100x better because it came first.
Plus… Eragon being a Mary Sue? How can you even say that you ‘really like’ a book series when the main character is a Mary Sue, with serious sociopathic issues.
I’m so happy to have my impishly impish ImpishIdea.
Hmph. Probably some idiot ten-year-old who wouldn’t know good fiction if it hit them in the nose. stalks off grumbling about “kids these days don’t appreciate the classics”
I’m not homeschooled and I agree with old-fashioned morality. We must be just weirdos. ;)
Well I am homeschooled (how is it that I’m so awful at getting my point across? Grrr), but they treated me like a little kid who hasn’t thought through her own convictions because of it. =( Anyway, with the help of other people who were nice enough to help me out, I wrapped up that particular argument, got out, and haven’t really been back since.
(late reply)
@swenson
>Did you (or someone else in your house) ever sign up there before and get banned?
No. That’s what’s so weird.
Hmm. Odd. Maybe… brainstorms do you have a wireless internet connection? Did someone else use it and make an account and get banned?
OR DO THEY JUST KNOW WHO YOU ARE?!
Nobody has made an account from my house – not my brothers, not my sister, not my parents, and certainly not me.
THEY JUST KNOW.
CREEEEEEEPY!!!
DUN DUN DUN.
But what will you post?!
Try to get in the monthly quiz. If you succeed, I will reward you with chocolate chip cookies, and d3 internets.
O.o If anyone feels like trolling and continuing this little discussion, they should post the Eragon/Star Wars summary from one of the old II articles.
You’re earned my eternal love.
Do they know where we are?
As long as everyone remembers to check for tracking beacons when leaving their forum, we should be alright.
Screencapz plz. I’m blocked from the forum, remember?
“If you look hard enough, all fiction is derivative…”
Because, clearly Blade Runner and Hamlet are identical, in every sense of the word.
Blade Runner was a movie, though. And you really can’t call it an adaptation of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, as they differ in more ways than they match (Deckard has a wife, for one).
But, yeah, it’s still a valid argument.
Who’s talking about books? I’m talking about Blade Runner and Hamlet
“If you look hard enough, all books are derivative…”
Ya, I mean, they’re all printed on, like, paper. Be original, kk?
:D
Skip projections, we should just tattoo them onto our skin. Save the trees.
Minor typo in your post title. ;)
Yes you can. Edit the subject line.
QUOTE (metalhead @ Jun 14 2009, 11:37 PM) *
I wish Paolini would have been original and not based it on the star wars plot, and all of the books are extremely slow. Paolini tried to make it as epic as LoTR but failed badly.
True, he did base the cycle too much on the Star Wars sega, but do not most great books, the cycle not included, come from other ideas? CP did great with Eragon, something fairly fresh and original, but at the same time it was the same old song and dance. Young boy without parents goes on a quest to destroy an evil king. Pretty much Star Wars, and If you think about it, far more similar to Harry Potter.
Comparison:
Star Wars:
Young man without father (and pretty much no mother for most of it) grows up, learns how to wield a light saber and the power of the force (sort of like magic) and seeks the destruction the evil sith lord.
Harry Potter:
Young man minus parents plus magic equals the destruction of voldemort: a dark lord or however.
Eragon:
Young man grows up without parents, learns magic, seeks the destruction of the dark king Galby.
Very similar indeed..
End quote.
I really don’t see how Harry Potter relates to Star Wars.
The reason they think it relates is because all of them follow the Hero’s Journey. The Matrix & The Lion King [I think] follow the same thing too. But they’re all radically different in their plot, setting, and characters. Except for Eragon and Star Wars, that is.
Here’s what one person said about Harry Potter and Eragon:
Okay I pulled together a list of differences and similarities between Harry Potter and the Inheritance Cycle.
Similarities
-both main characters are boys
-both boys are charged with saving the world or freeing it
-both books enemies are smart and ruthless
-both are basically parentless
-brought up by relatives
-evil person trying to rule the world
-mentor(s) was killed
-magic
-mental power (might be classed with magic)
-resistance group (Order of the Phoenix/Varden)
-more then one race in it (elves/house elves)
-both have dragons
-female as other major character (Hermione/Arya)
-war happens in each book good vs evil
-trios in both (in IC Eragon, Saphira & Arya in HP Harry Ron and Hermione)
And what I said in reply:
-both main characters are boys
-both boys are charged with saving the world or freeing it
-both books enemies are smart and ruthless
-both are basically parentless
-brought up by relatives
-evil person trying to rule the world
-mentor(s) was killed
-magic
-mental power (might be classed with magic)
-resistance group (Order of the Phoenix/Varden)
-more then one race in it (elves/house elves)
-both have dragons
-female as other major character (Hermione/Arya)
-war happens in each book good vs evil
-trios in both (in IC Eragon, Saphira & Arya in HP Harry Ron and Hermione)
Well, yes, but almost every fantasy book until very recently has most of these elements.
As opposed to Eragon & Star Wars, which is too long to list.
Teeheehee.
I agree.
You were wrong in your statement there, Puppet. Galbatarix mind-screws with Oromis in the third brick. I don’t know if he appears in person, but there is definitely some interaction.
It was just a voice, though.
http://www.inheritanceforums.com/index.php?showtopic=50039
^^ The thread where I shamelessly stole stuff from ImpishIdea. xD
You?
I’m Rhianna on there. Annoying everyone with my questions about the series that just end up portraying it in a negative light. xD
Well, that explains a lot. :P
Uhg, I hate how that forum is so untidy, you can’t see a thing, and everything seems out of place.
Teeheehee.
This is the correct response. Its like a think bomb went off in there! :D
But remember, you’ll have to read Brisingr in full before I can talk in full about that particular scene to you. :D
My brain has died.
Alright, he got inspired by the plot of Star Wars. I won’t deny it, but I don’t see anything really wrong with that. I still think it’s a great story. It has a lot Star Wars doesn’t have, like dragons, and a fantasy setting instead of a sci-fi one. If that’s enough to make me like Inheritance a lot more that Star Wars (which I do), that what’s the real problem with similar plots?
Lesson of the Day: Guess what, kids? There’s nothing wrong with stealing!
Hurrays! :D
I know, right?
I have this AWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEESOMEEEEEEE IDEA planned. It’s gonna be lyke this story where this short guy who sparkles in the sunlight finds a magical piece of jewelry, and he has to destroy it in an evvvvvvvvvvvil fire in an eeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvil mountain in an eeeeeeeeeeeeviiiiiiilllllll land that is ruled by an eeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvvvillllllllll vampire that sucks people’s blood.
Look at me! I’m a child prodigy at the age of 16. I’ll just say I started working on it two years ago. I can’t be bested by Pao-Pao!
I have this AWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEESOMEEEEEEE IDEA planned. It’s gonna be lyke this story where this short guy who sparkles in the sunlight finds a magical piece of jewelry, and he has to destroy it in an evvvvvvvvvvvil fire in an eeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvil mountain in an eeeeeeeeeeeeviiiiiiilllllll land that is ruled by an eeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvvvillllllllll vampire that sucks people’s blood.
Look at me! I’m a child prodigy at the age of 16. I’ll just say I started working on it two years ago. I can’t be bested by Pao-Pao!
That’s lame conpered to my story, it’s about a poor orphan named Nogare who lives with his cousin, and one day he finds a big diamond in the forest while hunting, so he brings it to his uncle, but it turns out to be a dragon, named Arihpsa, he then becomes a dragon knight, and is bestowed the duty of protecting the buitefull lands of Aiseagala, then he finds out that bad poeple killed his family, so he goes with the fool from the village and kills them, before joining the rebel force called the Nedarv, he also picks up a elf name Ayra, and a human named Hgatrum, then he fights a shade called Azrud, and fights an army of Lagrus.
NO WAI!!!
Let me give you all of my monies!!!
You spelled Arihpas wrong.
STFU YOU DUNT SPEK TU TEH OUTHER LEIK TAHT!!!
NU U STFU B4 I CAL POLIZ!!!!
NUU DUNT BAN MEEZ PLZ!!1!!1 :O
OK I DUNT BAN U I JUS KIL U
I IZ IN LIBRAY NOW SO KK BIA!!
I used to be a big thing over there. I was the God-Emperor of Trolls and Roleplaying, with my primary competition being EyesOnly, who was arguably the biggest moron I have ever met. If I recall correctly, he hated Inheritance but loved Dragons: Lexicon Triumvirate.
EyesOnly was a big douchebag, but I can’t remember who was worse of the two – him or Aaron? I seem to remember them both being of equal douchebaggery, but Aaron was friends with the administration so had more leeway.
I still recall EO’s lightsaber physics and someone’s complete annihilation of his retardation.
Link plz.
This was like, 2 years ago. No way I’ll ever manage to fish it out again.
More quotes from that crazed place:
I like the similarities between LOTR and IC. To me, its a deeper understanding of characters and races between the worlds and brings some cool ideas to mind if the books are read again.
bashes forehead against wall Some people aren’t even worth trying to convert.
Where is the deeper understanding of characters in Inheritance, pray tell?
Title Ideas:
Brotherhood of the Bangle
A Couple of Towers
Hey, Guys, The King’s Back!
:D
But I don’t have enough monies to buy all of these books.
The sentence “The songs of the dead are the lamentations of the living” made so much sense!
I think that line is stolen from Waiting for Godot (not verbatim).