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I don’t think of Holden as my personal hero- he’s got flaws and lots of them- it’s that I could understand and empathize with a lot of what he was feeling. It’s interesting how he’s kind of a love-him-or-despise-him kind of character.
I haven’t read A Clockwork Orange (though this may be soon rectified), Animal Farm, Great Expectations, or Count of Monte Cristo.
I’m late- but GRRM is an amazing writer, and I absolutely love his books, it’s just that every single woman seems to have no rights. I know, it’s pseudo-medieval, but it’s still infuriating.
SNQ- Great Expectations- that’s on my to read list as well. Also, I’ve only ever read the adapted version of Oliver Twist.
I never cared for Dickinson myself. His prose is too heavy—though, I avoid books from that period in general.
The Catcher in the Rye is one of my favorite books, simply because nothing happens at all and it still manages to be pretty interesting. Also, I cried at the end. I’m told that Pride and Prejudice is very good, and I have every intention of reading Emma one day, and other books from that woman who I presently can’t remember the name of…
I asked my parents if either of them had ever read A Clockwork Orange, and both of them were like, you cannot read that book oh no no, and I was all, oh, okay.
I’m late- but GRRM is an amazing writer, and I absolutely love his books, it’s just that every single woman seems to have no rights. I know, it’s pseudo-medieval, but it’s still infuriating.
It isn’t the exact same as “rights,” but Cersei, Catelyn and Dany certainly have power.
If he’s a sympathetic character then so are people like Joachim Peiper and Otto Skorzeny.
Have you read all the books? Jaime may not be a “good guy” (Whatever that means…), but he’s still a sympathetic character.
@ Clib: He gets better once he spends time with Brienne in Storm of Swords, really he does. That’s about the point where starts to realize, “Hey, my sister’s kind of a bitch. Maybe I shouldn’t be listening to her.”
Not that I’ve totally forgiven him for the whole ‘pushing-Bran-out-a-window’ incident, but at least he’s moving in the right direction.
Personally, I blame Cersei for about 90% of everything wrong in the series.
Yeah, actually, (up to ADWD) and I still hate his guts like just about every other character in ASOIAF, truth be told the only one I could ever get excited about and actually care for was Brienne.
It is hard to like a lot of the characters, given half the stuff they do.
The one thing that would make me follow the series again would her horrible and agonizing death.
Given the way things have been going for her, that’s a distinct possibility. I can’t wait for her trial. It’ll be like Joffrey’s wedding all over again.
Personally, I found Brienne pretty bland and boring. I just don’t find anything about her interesting, myself.
Reminds me of Wuthering Heights, another book in which nobody is particularly sympathetic. But Wuthering Heights only stretches on for one book, not several.
jaime is great
he is badass and funny and has a more developed moral compass than most characters but the nature of the setting breaks his moral compass early
his arc is all about reconstructing it
Oh dear. I kinda completely hated A Game of Thrones. But I did read it, so that’s not for this thread.
You know what I haven’t read? Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children. Fine, I don’t know that everyone has read it, but most of my friends/reviewers I follow have, and I even manged to get an ebook from the library and still. Didn’t. Read. It.
Oh and the link to the spork of the Hunger Games. (sorry I’m so late in this).
discovered urban fantasy/steampunk
Welcome to my favorite world, BlueMask! If you’re like me, you’ll never want to leave.
That’s tough. I’m in more on the art/lifestyle/conceptual side of steampunk and not so much the lit side. I know there are a few good ones and a lot of random junk though.
steam punk
Isn’t Perdido St. Station kind of steampunkish? Even if it isn’t, it’s a damn good book.
I just got a collection of steampunk short stories. It’s kind of half the genre I want to write, so I figured I might actually want to read some, first.
I just love the idea of a kind of surreal, AU world. Kind of historical fanfiction, but with amazing fashion. And well written.
Perdido St Station is amazing, yes. Warning for some graphic inky moth sex, though. Don’t read it on a train ;)
Don’t read it on a train ;)
I did. Nothing really happened.
I’ve heard really good reviews about that.
It’s good but the end really depressed me. If you like steampunk and want something different, go for it.
I vill, then.
I haven’t read the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I got partway through the first, but got bored by the wanderings.
The Hobbit was good though.
I love LOTR for the story and for the landmark piece of literature it is, but I agree that Tolkien could have used a good editor.
I’ll tell you the same thing I tell my brother’s girlfriend – the first half of Fellowship is an endurance test. It’s long and boring and almost nothing of any substance happens (at least until they reach Bree). BUT if you can make it past that, it picks up pretty quickly.
I think Tolkien said that he really didn’t know what he was going to do with the story until he got to Bree. Not sure were I read that. But I think it fit into the story, since the hobbits didn’t really know what they were doing or how to do it either.
A good friend of mine is exactly the same as you, Ebelean—she tried reading them but couldn’t get past the Old Wood because, in her words, “They’re just walking through the woods! For pages and pages!”
You really do have to power on through the first half of Fellowship to get to the awesome parts. Once you get to Bree, things start to get more interesting, but then it hits the Council of Elrond and gets slow again until they actually get on their way. Then it picks up again pretty permanently.
Not to start a movie vs. books argument here, but honestly, cutting out most of the early stuff in Fellowship may have been one of the best things Peter Jackson did when adapting LotR. It works in the book (or at least I can look back after having read it several times and it doesn’t bug me), but it would’ve just been taking up time and space in the movie. So I forgive him for cutting Tom Bombadil/the Old Wood and severely shortening the parts when they traveled in the Shire (and cutting out Fatty Bolger).
Not to start a movie vs. books argument here, but honestly, cutting out most of the early stuff in Fellowship may have been one of the best things Peter Jackson did when adapting LotR. It works in the book (or at least I can look back after having read it several times and it doesn’t bug me), but it would’ve just been taking up time and space in the movie. So I forgive him for cutting Tom Bombadil/the Old Wood and severely shortening the parts when they traveled in the Shire (and cutting out Fatty Bolger).
Agreed. While I love Tom Bombadil, he didn’t really add much to the overall plot of the trilogy, let alone Fellowship. When I saw that he wasn’t in the movie at all, I wasn’t disappointed. Not in the slightest. Keeping the focus on the main storyline—Frodo’s quest to destroy the Ring and restore order to Middle-Earth—was part of what made the movies as good as they were.
Personally, I think the Old Wood/Tom Bombadil chapters are best read as stand-alone chapters. They’re excellent, but they’re better read as a self-contained short story than as part of the larger whole.
While I love Tom Bombadil, he didn’t really add much to the overall plot of the trilogy, let alone Fellowship.
Agreed. To be honest, I don’t think there would have been a way to portray him in the movie that wouldn’t have made people like my mom think that all of us fans are just experiencing some sort of collective bad trip.