On "Secrets of the Dragon Riders"

A few days ago there was discussion on the Anti-Shur’tugal LiveJournal about a compilation of essays by several authors on the topic of Inheritance, called Secrets of the Dragon Riders. The whole book is basically filled with concentrated glorification of the “genius” of Mr. Paolini. Being the perverted masochistic fiend I am, I checked the website where the book was sold and when I saw the “Read an excerpt” button, my hand basically moved on its own and lo and behold, it is sitting in my computer now, polluting the bytes and pieces around it with unending praise for a glorified plagiarist. The downloadable version contains previews of four essays featured in the book, but I am only going to talk about the intro and the first one as they stood above the others. Why? Simple. Their authors talk about criticism of Paolini and one even about the antis in particular. And what do they have to say about these issues? Gather round.

1. Drawing out the Dragons by James A. Owen

This is an introduction to the Secrets of the Dragon Riders, written by its editor, James A. Owen. Roll up your sleeves, ladies and gentlemen, for here we begin.

The whole thing begins with a quote by Erasmus of Rotterdam. It is actually a pretty neat quote, saying: “When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.” Now I have no problem with the quote itself, as it pretty much sums up my way of life; what I have a problem with, though, is the association. Opening an essay about how amazing a writer Paolini is with the timeless wisdom of Erasmus, one of the greatest thinkers of all time, in my opinion borderlines on literary rape. How can you even mention such a great mind as that of Erasmus on the same page as Paolini without reality suddenly bending around you and causing your head to implode? We are only two sentences in and I already feel like throwing up. This should be fun.

The essay continues with the author proclaiming his love to all that is written and talking about his physical inability to pass a bookstore without getting a book. This I can relate to as well, but then he throws this random sentence in that made me feel slightly uncomfortable:

I’m searching for connections to everything and everyone around me. And buying books is the best way I know to do that because books, and more precisely stories, are as important and vital and essential as food and clothes—and I’m not entirely convinced about the clothes.

Okaaaay. So he likes to walk around naked. Didn’t need to know that. Really didn’t. But this is really nothing compared to the gem that is about to come:

Stories are how we communicate understanding to one another both literally and through metaphor. And as one essayist in this collection noted, stories are important because none of them are new. All stories have already been told—only our point of view changes. And it is that unique point of view that makes every story at once individual and collective.

There is an essay in this book that basically says “all stories are derivative”. Can this have something to do with the infamous quote of Mr. Paolini where he proclaimed that “all fantasy is derivative” in order to defend himself from the very well-founded accusations of plagiarism and to excuse the fact that not a single thing in any of his bricks is original? Could this author be trying to support this ridiculous statement which I am not going to dignify by calling it a theory?

Moving on. Mr. Owen explains how he got to Eragon in the first place and this is what he has to say about the book:

My love for the cover art aside, it became a matter of professional courtesy to read the books and discover for myself just what all the hubbub was about. So I did. And amidst the thrilling tales of dragons and elves and hero’s journeys I found something else in Christopher Paolini’s books—I found myself.

This actually made me think about the bumblebee scene from Brisingr, where Eragon rediscovers his will to live by looking at the bumblebee which happens to be flying by. Both these statements are somewhat disconcerting and cringeworthy. What adds to the disturbing factor of this quote is that while Paolini was writing a supposedly “epic” saga with dreadful language and atrocious imagery, Mr. Owen is being dead serious and expressing his honest opinions. A great proof of the fact that wisdom does not come with age after all.

But whatever else critics might question, the achievement itself, to have written (and published) so young, is worthy of note. It requires an innate maturity to be able to convey so much in a work of fiction when one has had relatively less life experience.

Does anybody else find these endless references to Paolini’s age infuriating? The Age Card is one of the stupidest marketing moves ever invented. To have written something so young is not an achievement. At a certain age, nearly everybody feels the need to express themselves somehow. Some start playing an instrument, some paint, some write. Heck, they can even do all of it! My point being is that a teenage writer is nothing unusual. A published teenage author, that is a whole other story, though. And for a good reason. But I don’t think that getting “Eragon” published was an achievement at all. Mommy and Daddy did it for him, after all. If he had to go through the ordeal of getting a book published by proper means and made it through, that would have been an achievement. Also, it would mean that there is at least some semblance of quality to it. Though seeing what crap gets published nowadays I am not sure how true would that be. Still, I think Paolini would have learned a lot had he not have his parents to do everything for their widdle genius.

Another problem I have with this is that Mr. Owen basically negates all the criticism by saying “but he’s just a kid and he wrote a book! And it got published! It’s good for his age!” Sounds familiar? He basically brushes all the claims of poor writing, thesaurus rape and an overall subpar quality of the whole thing by saying “Paolini was young when he wrote it.” I say shove it somewhere where the sun don’t shine. When somebody publishes a book they should be aware of the fact that there will be criticism, regardless of their age. Claiming “the book is good for his/her age” is just a cheap attempt to excuse the book’s lack of substance, merit, and the fact that it insults the readers’ intelligence on every other page. If you go ahead and become a writer, your work will not be judged any differently from those of other writers, no matter how old you are. Age does not matter. Quality does. If you are just going to publish something that is “good for your age”, wait a few years, perfect it, and publish something that is just good. You will not receive any special treatment based on the year of your birth. As I already said I find the Age Card tactic insulting to other authors and diminishing the merit of literature as a whole. Age should never be an important factor when it comes to books. Quality should be.

In the next sentence Mr. Owen expands upon Paolini’s writing and publishing success, saying that “it requires an innate maturity to be able to convey so much in a work of fiction when one has had relatively less life experience.” One of the writer’s most prominent strengths is the power of observation, especially in fantasy. The environment around them can give shape to their personal universes, personalities and quirks of people around them can add another dimension to the characters, making them more believable. How can one write about social interaction if they never had any? How can one write about romance if they were never in love? How can you write about first feeble, embarrassing stabs at romance when you never lived through them yourself? Less life experience? None whatsoever is more like it. Let me draw you a little metaphor. Imagine that without previously taking any driving courses you will decide to race in the Formula 1 series. The result will be laughable, sad and pathetic. Most likely you would end up in a pile of junk very soon after firing up the engine. Exactly like Paolini’s “epic romance” between Eragon and Arya. Oh, actually between any two characters in Inheritance, for that matter.

Personal experience is one of the greatest sources of writer’s inspiration, it gives the author ability to describe situations and feelings in a believable manner. In order to write about people, you have to be around people. And no, your parents and your family don’t count. These relationships lack certain dynamics which can only be found in a relation with another person unrelated to you and therefore without obligation to adore you unconditionally. People in our surroundings are the first source of criticism towards ourselves and as we develop social skills, we learn to accept this criticism and deal with it. Some better than others, but the fact remains that at least this way we get used to. This is probably where Paolini’s refusal to read criticism is rooted—he just can’t handle it, being nothing but praised for everything all of his life. This is not healthy.

Growing up sheltered and homeschooled are the worst things that could happen to Paolini as a writer. Imagine yourselves—where would you be without your friends, without the trouble you got into together, without harassing older kids in school just to prove you have the guts to do it (and then running away before they could beat you up)? The only people Paolini had any closer relationships with are his parents and his sister and it shows. Angela the Witch is an example of what the rest of the characters in the books could have looked like if only the kid went to school. Some critics hate her, some say she is one of the few bearable characters in the series, but the fact remains that she is probably the most well-rounded one. All the other characters should have been built like her, with a personality beyond their mad skillz, may they be whatever they are, and another level to them. This is probably why Eragon comes off as a sociopath and more of a computer than an actual person—Paolini himself would most likely have trouble reacting in more complex social situations such as the ones he writes about, so he goes for whatever seems most logical and reasonable, eliminating the actual emotional involvement entirely. No amount of “innate maturity”, which is another thing I could discuss to no end, can make up for the lack of personal experience.

The story itself is one that has been both lauded and criticized as “not new”. More than one essayist touches on this concept, that Paolini has drawn upon well-known and well-used archetypes for both character and plot. Paolini’s detractors claim that the work is therefore merely derivative, and brings nothing new to the world of fiction. But his advocates (of which I am one) maintain that he has simply done what all the great authors have done before him: retold the stories common to us all from a unique point of view. And it is a point of view that has been embraced by millions upon millions of readers around the world.

Again with the “all fantasy is derivative” defense. One word: pathetic. If you look for an original story, grab a book by Miéville. If you don’t think you read something new after that, there is something severely wrong with you.

There are original stories. Some of us are just too lazy to find them and make up excuses instead.

It’s been no different for any other story that’s gone before, whether it’s a tale of Perceval or Gilgamesh or even Luke Skywalker. They are all the same story. They are all our story. And the tales told in the Inheritance Cycle are our stories, too, told as they are by a storyteller who understands this, and put them into words in the way he believes they should be told.

He puts Gilgamesh, Perceval, and even Luke Skywalker in the same paragraph as Inheritance. There is no God.

2. Ten Things About Christopher Paolini by Jeremy Owen

Just reading the title of the essay makes me want to stop right here, delete the file from my computer and never hear about Mr. Owen (neither of them) again. But I will pull myself together, take a deep breath, and if for nothing else, I will do it for the lulz. Which is always a good reason.

This essay is written by Jeremy Owen, and he starts out by saying that when it comes to Inheritance, there is “no such thing as lukewarm opinion”. The series has either fans or haters, nothing in between.

The pro-Paolini element will square off against the anti-Paolini in seconds. Make sure you’re outside the danger zone before the insults and occasional breakable objects start flying around.

…and some of them may hit your head and cause you to write an essay defending Paolini. This sentence just explained it all.

He next states that instead of focusing on pro–Paolini arguments, he is going to discuss the reasons why so many people hate him so much. This should be interesting.

Youth

Please, for the love of God, not again! Could you just drop it already? The age doesn’t matter! It’s pointless! He published a book like any other writer, adult or not, so why should this be constantly brought up?!

Oh well. Bring it on.

Most people expect sixteen-year-old boys to be babbling, hormone-riddled morons who think a pronoun is a noun that’s lost its amateur status. For the most part these derogatory thoughts about adolescent males are right. A teenage boy being able to string a coherent list of words into a recognizable sentence is noteworthy, and Christopher Paolini did that ten thousand times…in a row! Brilliant! Most people, especially other writers, tend to see that as an overachievement for someone his age. I don’t think this is Christopher’s fault, but that of the observer judging him. If you think Christopher Paolini is too young, then you must be too old.

Where do I even begin? This paragraph basically says “U haet Chris just cuz ur jelous!” Yes. We hate Paolini’s books just because we envy him that he got to get published so young, not because what he published is a steaming pile of bovine excrement without any merit whatsoever. And you have to love how the author defines brilliance as an ability to put together a coherent sentence at age of sixteen. Wow. The high school I went to is full of geniuses.

Besides, we do not think Inheritance is pathetic because we are jealous of Paolini. We think it sucks because even now, ten years later, he still writes like a sixteen-year old, and at times it gets worse. I blame his success on that. Seeing how popular Eragon has become, he reached a conclusion that this is as good as it can get and stopped right there, meaning that his development as a writer stopped dead in its tracks. There was a potential, but now it is gone. More than being jealous of him, we feel sorry for the sod.

Completion

Christopher Paolini finished a novel. Here’s a revelation that stuck in the craw of many a writer. […] If you hate Christopher Paolini because he wrote a novel, it’s probably time to stop doing Internet “research” on the computer in your mom’s basement and start taking a serious stab at that outline you’ve toyed with for a decade.

Finishing a book? Is that really an argument? That he finished a book? True, it may be hard to write a novel, especially when you have no plot or it flatlines after a few dozens of pages (if it ever gets that far) because it is going nowhere. But if you are not too lazy to develop something that can be passed off as a storyline and actually bother to write little bits here and there, finishing a book is not that hard. I, for one, finished three books by the time I was fifteen. True, all three were prime examples of some of the most atrocious crap ever written, but I finished them, so that automatically makes them publishable material! Yay! Let’s all listen to my talking dog and his sister argue about ten times per a single page!

Quality, on the other had, is a whole another story. Notice how these rebuttals never talk about the actual quality of Paolini’s writing rather than formalities and insignificant details. They don’t focus on what is substantial. I am not even going to call this an argument.

Continuation

Christopher Paolini wrote a second novel

And look! He wrote a second one! Truly he must be a genius!

What the hell is wrong with this person? He is basically trying to sell the same, ahem, argument twice. Does this contribute to the essay in any way? No. Is this at all relevant? It isn’t. Then why is it here? Who the hell edited this…oh okay, I see. Never mind.

Success

Christopher Paolini wrote a bestselling novel. People that aspire to be writers will sing praises to such a person, all the while shooting little daggers with their eyes at them for accomplishing such a feat. […] I know lots of great authors who are not bestsellers. Hitting the top of the lists is a convergence of skill, publicity, and timing.

The “ur just jeluz” argument again. What this Mr. Owen fails to realize is that the bestseller list, any of them, actually, gives very poor indication of whether the book is any good or not. Just look at some other bestselling works: The Da Vinci Code, Twilight, The Sepulcher. Were any of them at least bearable to read? And what about the writers who can actually write? How many of them dominated these mediocrity-celebrating marketing tools based on nothing than gross sales of the individual titles? We hate and will continue to hate Paolini because he is famous despite the fact that his books are some of the worst literature ever to see the light of the day when there are other, incomparably better authors who remain anonymous to the public even though they are the ones who deserve the praise and attention. This is also the first time we come across any reference to actual skill in this essay and even here it is just mentioned and not expanded upon in defense of Mr. Owen’s favorite author.

Hollywood

If you hate Christopher Paolini because of the money he made from selling out to Hollywood, then I’m right there with you. If you happen to be Christopher Paolini’s agent and are reading this, then you can contact me through the publisher of this article. I’ve got some great ideas I think you’d be interested in.

Oh, he admits the movie sucked. No shit, Sherlock. Who liked it? Even the hard core die hard rabid fans hate it. Another pointless point made.

This is where the excerpt ends. It has been a truly painful and long way getting all the way to here. How to sum it up, then? Even though the essays are trying to address the issue of antis, they fail at presenting even semi-decent arguments and their only defense is endless repetition of the same old statements we all know so well to be untrue—age, jealousy and…well, that is about it, actually. Apparently, Paolini’s followers have taken to the example of their visionary and did no research on the topic they were going to cover. Which doesn’t really add to credibility of their work. All in all, these essays are very much like Inheritance itself—poorly researched, incoherent, arrive nowhere and the points they are trying to make are just laughable. Authors of these essays truly are, as the Epistler put it, “immature fans for an immature work”.

Thank you for reading,

Comment

I love how most of it is dedicated to whining and making half-assed jabs at the anti-fandom. I thought this was supposed to be about the Inheritance series! Boy, was I off.

well it was written by Inheritance fans, some “about the same age as Paolini was when Eragon came out”, as the Intro says:)

James A. Owen, Jeremy Owen…I’m sensing a trend, here.

Interestingly, Mr. James. A. Owen, a somewhat prolific writer, also started out as a self-published comic book artist. Anyone here familiar with the “Imaginarium Geographica” series?

“all fantasy is derivative”

“All novels are derivative, but some of them are more derivative than others.”

A great proof of the fact that wisdom does not come with age after all.

Or at least good taste.

“the book is good for his/her age”

There’s only one, very limited case in which I think this statement is actually useful, and that is if the kid expresses interest in becoming a published author (the REAL way). Telling him/her that s/he has a natural aptitude for it could encourage him/her to try harder and perfect his/her craft, while stating that he/she is “average” (or even “bad”!) for his/her age, especially after a period of several years, could encourage him/her into a more fulfilling line of work (and clear up some of the trash on future shelves).

Not that anyone in the America I live in would dare say that a kid’s work is “average” or “bad” for his/her age…

How can one write about romance if they were never in love? How can you write about first feeble, embarrassing stabs at romance when you never lived through them yourself?

At the very least, have interacted with people who did. People don’t always have to “write what you know” – especially in the fantasy genre. If having an Epic Romance with an elf is functionally the same as having one with a human, after all, why even have an elf character in the story?

Growing up sheltered and homeschooled are the worst things that could happen to Paolini as a writer. Imagine yourselves, where would you be without your friends,

Sheltered? Yes. Homeschooled? A lot of people on this site would take issues with that. And don’t knock the unpopular kids, a lot of the greatest writers were recluses (though, obviously, the inverse does not hold true). The personal anecdotes are my main criticism with this article (the rest of it is good, really) because they only serve to alienate readers who didn’t quite have the fond memories of public schooling that you wax nostalgic on, and are an unnecessary distraction from the important points.

Paolini himself would most likely have trouble reacting in more complex social situations such as the ones he writes about, so he goes for whatever seems most logical and reasonable, eliminating the actual emotional involvement entirely.

Which could be an awesome concept to work with, if the character was actually described that way…

no such thing as lukewarm opinion

Um, no, Mr. Owen. Just because I think the Inheritance series is boring, cliche’d, and poorly written does not imply that I am “anti” the writer, the fans, or the work itself.

Christopher Paolini finished a novel.

Clearly this guy’s never heard of NaNoWriMo. Which is populated largely by teenagers CP’s age (upon finishing Eragon) or younger.

I know lots of great authors who are not bestsellers. Hitting the top of the lists is a convergence of skill, publicity, and timing.

So what is this guy’s point? That CP’s achievement isn’t that spectacular because he had the marketing guys helping him?

Thank you for reading,

Thank you for this wonderful dissection!

Oh my. It must have taken a lot of work assembling so many opinions I take issue with. I applaud you, publishers.

And yeah, as for the home schooling thing, I was home schooled, and I think I grew up just fine. It really depends on the parents homeschooling… and your parents have huge effect on your life whether or not you home school, so the point is moot. I might be biased though, because my father runs a website on homeschooling and alternative education (he’s a pretty kickass guy).

I was not homeschooled and turned out retarded. Take from that what you will.

All the emphasis on age in this excerpt is making me wonder whether I should wait until I’m 90 before I even attempt to publish anything. I think I’d die if someone praised me for writing a “coherent sentence.” In fact, I feel sorry for Paolini — if these are his defenders, they are a mightily condescending lot. Their praise is practically as much of an insult as any of the material I’ve seen coming from detractors!

Heh. I used to have this ridiculous fantasy where I would get published when I was fifteen, then the interview would say

“And you are so young!”

And I’d retort

“Yes, but I want my books to stand on their own merits.”

I noticed this book in a local bookstore and read most of the first essay (which you’ve covered here). I agree that the arguments are really non-arguments as they don’t actually address any issues.

I came to the conclusion that the book was made less as a defense of Paolini and more as a way to ride the coattails of his success. I may be incorrect, but that was my impression.

By the way, I didn’t check: Was the publisher of this defense the same as the Paolini’s publisher? I would be surprised if they were different.

For the book itself, including a list of authors:

http://www.teenlibris.com/teenlibris4_DragonRider.html

And an interview with the editor, including some of his other work:

http://www.teenlibris.com/interview8_JamesOwen.html

He’s also a fan of Twilight, surprise surprise.

I came to the conclusion that the book was made less as a defense of Paolini and more as a way to ride the coattails of his success. I may be incorrect, but that was my impression.

That was my impression as well. But I think it’s a dick move, and I’m not going to let them get away with it. Which is why I shall mount an internet campaign. You’ll notice II is already on the first page for Google search results on “Secrets of the Dragon Riders”. I intend to get to #1 by tomorrow.

By the way, I didn’t check: Was the publisher of this defense the same as the Paolini’s publisher? I would be surprised if they were different.

Different publishers, yes. Which supports your theory.

I think it’s pretty exciting for our movement that we have been mentioned in a published book. Not many anti-fandoms have this dubious distinction. I’m going to be leveraging this fact when I’m lobbying for an interview opportunity with Paolini. First we need to grow, though. An acquisition of Anti-Shurtugal will certainly help.

He’s also a fan of Twilight, surprise surprise.

Seems like he’s really just determined to make money pandering to any audience. Or maybe I’m being overly judgmental, not to mention cynical, and he just has no taste in literature.

First of all – I didnt mean, in any way, to imply that homeschooling is a bad thing. I merely wanted to express that in Paolinis case it had disasterous consequences. I probably should have made that clear in the essay, but I really didnt think this would be an issue. So for anyone who got the impression – I am deeply sorry and again, I didnt mean to offend anyone.

Secondly – I was not tryingto suggest that popularity with ones friends is something that will make one a good writer. I never had friends when I was a kid (their parents probably found the whole falconry thing too scary) and when I finally did, it did not make me write any differently. What I was tying to say is that humans are by nature social creatures. If one is devoid of human contact outside ones family circle, where one is judged and treated differently, that shapes them as a person and helps them mature. Family is one thing, but without any other social contact many aspects of ones psyche remain undeveloped (scientific fact, a friend of mine is a psychologist and we had a long discussion on the topic). When a child is growing up two most important processes which help them to grow into a healthy, well – rounded being are individualization and socialization – both with family and with peers, where one cannot be replaced by another due to their diametrally different natures. Again, I didnt think the point could be viewed differently than that so if anybody found that offensive – Im terribly sorry and it was not my intention.

Hehe, that Erasmus quote was quite the fist-gut experience while reading this excerpt.

It’s terribly sad to see one of the juicier statements ever written be used in the most awkward way possible.

A few days ago there was discussion on the Anti-Shur’tugal Live Journal about a compilation of essays by several authors on the topic of Inheritance, called Secrets of the Dragon Riders. The whole book is basically filled with concentrated glorification of the “genius” of Mr. Paolini.

That reminds me, when is Impish Idea going to host a round table discussion? (or symposium or whatever term you like to use)

Growing up sheltered and homeschooled are the worst things that could happen to Paolini as a writer. Imagine yourselves, where would you be without your friends, without the trouble you got into together, without harassing older kids in school just to prove you have the guts to do it (and then running away before they could beat you up)? The only people Paolini had any closer relationships with are his parents and his sister and it shows.

For the record, I managed to be homeschooled, unsheltered, have friends AND get into trouble…all in the same childhood.

Other than that bit, great article. The quote from Erasmus was just the first insult and it sure set the bar.

Man, I need to be quicker on the uptake, everything I could have said has been said better.

Fantastic job. Can’t stress that enough.

Oh, and I tried homeschooling, public school, and catholic school, within the same eight year period. Not that this is a contest or anything ;)

@Juniper

I adressed the whole homeschooling thing in the earlier reply. If I made it sound like I was condemning the practice, my sincere apologies.

just one more thing to add to my earlier comment – I said something along the lines that having friends didnt change my writing. I meant it DID. sorry, i am really sick at the moment to writing in what is not my first language is giving me a little bit of trouble…

ANYWAYS, my friends help me provide inspiration for my writing – some quirks they have i can transplant into a character. some of their stories can make for an interesting background. what i meant to say is that getting out does help ones writing. that all:)

sorry, i am really sick at the moment to writing in what is not my first language is giving me a little bit of trouble…

No offence taken, no apology necessary. I just wanted to clarify lest any ignoramus take that paragraph and run away with it. Thanks for taking the time to write articles in a second language. (Your writing is so near-to-perfect I would never have guessed.)

Hey, no worries Falcon, I think we knew what you meant.

Now, the more I read of that book though, the more I’m annoyed with it. I think we are going to have to add James Owen to our notoriety list.

We have a notoriety list?

I’ve finished two novels, both were crap but I finished them (the second the Nano so 50K words) plus I’m only 11, maybe I should publish my books and make a money for the crap.

No. No you shouldn’t. :P

Eh…I’ve tried to set up a Paolini-esque Story, so acctually a Tolkien rip-off, but it didn’t work out.

Now I’m trying to write fantasy in an indistrualized (I’m hoping I spelled it right) western-society setting. It’s turning out quite well acctually.

I saw a book similar to this for Twilight. Would someone be my bestest friend and rip that apart?

Thank you.

“That was my impression as well. But I think it’s a dick move, and I’m not going to let them get away with it. Which is why I shall mount an internet campaign. You’ll notice II is already on the first page for Google search results on “Secrets of the Dragon Riders”. I intend to get to #1 by tomorrow.”

-SlyShy

Cheers! I just googled it to check, and this page is the number one result.

>Now I’m trying to write fantasy in an indistrualized (I’m hoping I spelled it right) western->society setting. It’s turning out quite well acctually.

I would love to read this. Also, it’s spelled “industrialized” (replace the z with an s if you’re English).

As I understand it, Paolini was something like 19 when Eragon was picked up by a major publisher, and they made him do some major revisions before they actually printed it. So exactly where is the whole “he wrote this when he was 16” angle coming from? Actually, I’d like to know if there are still some copies of the original publication floating around, to see what he actually wrote like as a 15-year-old.

i think there are a few copies floating around the internet but my guess is they would be sold for ridiculous amounts of money. I too would like a peek… to rip it to shreds;)

I saw a book similar to this for Twilight. Would someone be my bestest friend and rip that apart?

Do I have to read Twilight to do so?

I think it’s pretty exciting for our movement that we have been mentioned in a published book. Not many anti-fandoms have this dubious distinction. I’m going to be leveraging this fact when I’m lobbying for an interview opportunity with Paolini. First we need to grow, though. An acquisition of Anti-Shurtugal will certainly help.

Wait, II was mentioned in the book? Where? I’m totally on board with any aid I can provide. (wait a sec Sly… I just had an idea! remember what we were discussing?)

We need a bumper sticker:
“Today, Anti-Shurtugal. Tomorrow, the world!”

I saw a book similar to this for Twilight. Would someone be my bestest friend and rip that apart?

One more thing.

The Hogwarts Professor did (or is doing) a similar defense series on Twilight (except much better written). I’ve been wanting to debate him on the topic (hosted here at II of course) but haven’t been able to figure out how to contact him.

Is this the same man talking or is it a compilation of authors?

On the acquisition of Anti-Shurtugal:

To a point, I’d say that we almost have control of them. I really do enjoy both sites, but I visit ImpishIdea way more often because you guys actually do a lot of updates. A-S only gets updated like once every month, and the Epistler articles were the best part of that site.

Has anyone ever tried subtly advertising Impish Idea on the Twilight Sucks forums? I haven’t ever visited them, however I think you might be able to attract a crowd from there.

yup, the book is a compilation of essays by different authors.

@Diamonte – lol I am an A-S as well but I actually spend most of my time on II for the same reason – why does AS not update at all? And true about the Epistles – it is a great shame they are gone.
But no matter how scarcely the main AS website is updated, we still have the LJ which is very active and filled with interesting debates.

I work in a bookstore, so I thought I’d seen the best and worst of literature come and go. Then I saw a nice box of these books come in and my first thought was, “So this is how the world ends.”

What kind of world is there where you can get paid to write a book about a book? But here I am, commenting on an article about a book about a book. (And if one of you replies to this, it will just go one step further.)

Anyway, thank you for ripping it apart for me (generally, management doesn’t approve when I rip books apart in the store).

@Ely Mannyng – I am replying you. hopefully the world will not implode:)

I used to work in a bookstore, one which was part of a large franchise too, for that matter. I know what you mean. It is so tempting to have snarky comments when yet another person comes and asks you about Dan Brown (if I got a penny for each of those… ugh).

I was very happy to oblige:)

I have the Epistles, if anyone’s interested in them. I can give you a .doc file or plaintext.

I miss my days in the bookstore when we would diss Twilight and the Inheritance series in the back room… we would get so many copies of those books at one time that the three of us would have to work together to get them all out. : P

Also: great article. : D

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I have the Epistles, if anyone’s interested in them. I can giveyou a .doc file or plaintext.

— Dan Locke · Mar 6, 04:05 PM ·

I’d like that. Unless someone has something against it? I recall reading that The Epistler requested that they were to be removed from the Internet. So If it’s a problem, do tell.

If not, just send it through.

The Epistler did request they be removed, but I’m going to turn a blind eye to this. There’s nothing I can do. ;)

Ooh, if it isn’t too much trouble, I’d like a copy as well.

Thanks, SlyShy. Haha.

Nothing is ever truly gone from the internet—it’s a pity the epistler forgot it.

I know, it’s annoying that. Those embarrassing plans I made to conquer Bolivia are still floating around somewhere. That’s so passé. These days I’m looking at Denmark.

to take some traffic off Dan Locke – you can email me as well if interested

incomparably better authors who remain anonymous to the public even though they are the ones who deserve the praise and attention.

ahem Brandon Sanderson cough

“incomparably better authors who remain anonymous to the public even though they are the ones who deserve the praise and attention.

ahem Brandon Sanderson cough”

Sanderson, anonymous? Ever heard of a book called A Memory of Light? :P
I’ll admit, though I know Sanderson is finishing WoT, I have never read any of his other work, partly out of a desire to not make premature judgments on AMoL.

I’d like a copy of the Epistles, too, if you wouldn’t mind…

“Growing up sheltered and homeschooled are the worst things that could happen to Paolini as a writer.”

Yeah, thanks a WHOLE lot A**hole!! I’m homeschooled and I have a life. I am going to say this once and for all: Homeschool is school. You interact and meet people. You learn, and FYI, you are human. Quit ranting on that! I have a large pool of friends. Thank you. Oh, and many of the people I meet are more polite than Kids in my old school. I rarely swear by the way, so great job.

Other than that, I like the article. I intend to read the other one as well.

I think that was a shot at Paolini himself, not homeschoolers in general. In other words, Paolini seems like sort of a natural recluse with a naive outlook on the world, so being placed in an environment where those qualities were fostered (by his parents, not the environment itself) rather than challenged was one of the worst things that could’ve happened to his writing.

BTW, I was homeschooled and found this to be a good article. Not offensive at all—unlike the unladylike language you used to describe the author. :)

Also, me and Sly are homeschooled… so…

I think this came up in one of my earlier articles – I do not see a single problem with homeschooling itself, quite the contrary, actually. I am deeply and honestly sorry if this gave off the wrong vibe, that was anything but my intention. I was merely trying to point out that the particular way in which Paolini was homeschooled had quite tragic consequences. Again, homeschooling as a concept is cool, however some ways of execution are not.

Sorry I over-reacted. I’m a bit hot blooded at times. I loved the article.

@Danielle:

Lady + me = catastraphe. Though, I’m willing to keep swearing to a min. I don’t like it myself. XD

Oh its okay:) I can understand the sentiment, though. If somebody insults something you hold dear, you feel a surge of justified anger. I think I am to blame for this, I thought that in the article, I implied enough this is only about this particular case, but I obviously didnt. Sorry it made you upset. I will try to make things clearer in the future:)

ZOMG, he wrote a novel! Sort of like 142,000 NaNoWriMo participants did last year alone.

I couldn’t find an official NaNoWriMo demographics breakdown, but I saw a thread asking about peoples’ ages, and the oldest was 23. The vast majority were 14-17. And they had all finished.

I’m 12 and I finished 2008 and 2009… Which is why I’m really irked when Inheritance fans pull the age card.